MORE LRL stuff? NOOOOOoooo

[Anonymous]

I'm NOT going to start another argumant about LRL and MFD devices, but I have noticed this...
Has ANYONE actually tried detecting in a field around which there was an electric fence, or near to a field in which there was one?
Stupidly, I did recently on my friends farm. He had neglected to tell me that he had put this fence near to my favourite field. The result?
Well, given that the voltages involved in Electric fences run into the KV range,in some cases, it is very hard to stop some arcing.
Following the recent wet weather, I suppose this must have been taking place, as I could hear a "tick-tick" as the system discharged to ground. NOW, what I found was this. In addition to the regular and annoying beep the Spectrum I was using gave off at every discharge, I found I was finding stuff MUCH deeper than normal, were the metallic objects becoming "pre-charged" in some way?
An added bonus was that if you listened VERY carefully, there was a faint crackle in the headphones if there was a VERY deep object. I confirmed this as I dug two of these "signals" after ignoring them as noise, only to find two VERY nice, and very old horseshoes, at over two feet down!
I feel the people who tend to play with LRL stuff try to explain what the are doing with bogus terms, like ionisation, and energy fields. As they have no real understanding of what they mean, or indeed seeing in the way of results, they turn to trying to use technical terms which are totally inappropriate. Kind of like trying to explain quantum mechanics using Inuit (Eskimo). They just dont have the terminology for this.
I'm not saying that they are INTELLECTUALLY CHALLANGED, as they say we are, but merely that perhaps they should develop their own terminology instead of using one which is founded in science FACT rather than fiction.
Maybe one of these LRL'rs will invent Warp drive, or time travel, some how I doubt it, and maybe next time they feel the urge to quantify what they do, they should use their OWN language to explain. I.e. For "Ionised energy fields", perhaps they should use "Aligned thargonian graats".
Another thought is, it is well known that the Earth has a resonant frequency, perhaps what we "Intellectual Idiots" are missing is that by using VLF or ULF stuff, these people are "tuning" into this resonant frequency as we used to use BFO type detectors in days gone by.
MAYBE they have discovered that a "local" phase shift is caused by buried objects, and have found a way of measuring this. Somehow I find this hard to believe as how would they create a reference point. But I'm open to suggestions. There may be a whole field of research that we have been ignoring for years.

 

[Anonymous]

hey sean, there used to be a sys. called the "depth doubler" that sent a charge into the ground that would electrify metal targets, making detectors see them better. that must be what was happening with your fence. as far as LRL'S go i dont know which side to believe. at a detector show once i tried an LRL called the target tracker-$3000,the chamber was loaded with a dollar bill, and the guy said it would lock on to other bills.well when i held it, THE DAMN THING MOVED!!! and i dont mean just a little bit. it pulled strongly to a guy that was walking by and followed him! i guess he had a lot of cash on him! it was so weird to feel an inatimate object move in your hand. now, was it sust a case of suggestion or idomotor responce? who knows.

 

[Anonymous]

Dave G.:
Maybe the guy the dowsing rod was pointing to had twenty plastic credit cards and a quarter for a pay phone in his pocket, and not a dollar cash to his name.
Ideomotor response is what makes the rods move, and is also the reason why the rods seem to move of their own accord even though they don't. The big question is what was going on in your mind that provoked the ideomotor response. Maybe self-suggestion; maybe environmental clues processed subconsciously; maybe some genuine knowledge of the contents of the guy's pocket, acquired by an as yet unknown means. This forum is the wrong place to go diving into this subject: however it has been discussed at great length in another forum, treasurenet.com/forum/locator , where I go by the alias "Toto".
--Dave J.

 

[Anonymous]

OK Dave, I'll take it over there and throw it at them.
Personally I'm a non believer in LRL's, but I would like to investigate this "electric fence" phenomenon more though, I just wondered if anyone could throw some scientific explanations as to why I was getting the results I was. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT="">

 

[Anonymous]

Sean, here are two theories about the thing you observed, being able to pick up horseshoes at unusual depth near an electric fence.
THEORY #1: "CAPABILITY OF A WHITE'S"
I suspect that the White's Spectrum has the basic capability of finding a horseshoe at a depth of two feet. The depth would not normally be that great, due to ground interference and the internal (in software) mechanisms designed to suppress unwanted signals. These mechanisms are usually desirable because although they may suppress sensitivity to target signals, they eliminate unwanted signals, making the site searcheable. The result is that targets which in principle might have been detectable through the ground/trash interference, are lost. All this is especially true when discrimination and/or fixed ground balance are used.
The periodic pulses from the electric fence were apparently strong enough to kick through the floor of the suppression mechanisms in software, allowing targets to be heard that otherwise would not have been heard.
There is, in radio engineering, a crude analogy to this. The superregenerative receiver is a form of regenerative receiver the gain of which is controlled (usually) by a relaxation oscillator, allowing the receiver to actually break into oscillation at an ultrasonic rate. This makes a superregen more noisy when no valid signal is present, but it allows detection of signals too weak for a straight regen to pick up.
THEORY #2: THE HORSESHOE EFFECT
Some people have gotten the idea that if you could run an AC current through the ground, it would "energize" targets in the ground, making otherwise undetectable targets visible to a metal detector. Although this is possible in principle, when you start asking questions about the magnitudes of electric currents and magnetic dipoles needed to achieve such an effect, usually the whole scheme falls apart. When the scheme hangs together, it's in the form of 2-box pipe & cable locating apparatus, where the length of the pipe or cable, together with the specialized nature of the apparatus, makes the scheme effective.
A coin is small (little current intercepted), and symmetrical (little opportunity to develop a magnetic dipole). A horseshoe, however, is larger and ferromagnetic; and, from both a current and magnetic standpoint, thoroughly nonsymmetrical. Therefore it is theoretically possible that detection would be enhanced by that mechanism. However..... it is doubtful that the ground current density or field intensity of the fence itself, the under the "electric fence" conditions you report, would be high enough to produce in the horseshoe itself a magnetic field detectable by the metal detector at that depth.
--Dave J.

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Sean,
I can't comment on the electric fence phenomenon but I do have a friend who swears his nugget finds increase significantly the week of the full moon. He has the nuggets and the charting to prove it. He also claims one of his other nugget hunting partners has recorded the same thing. His charting has spanned 3 years and is quite consistent.
Now, whether the gravitational pull of the moon has anything to do with it, or whether some other strange characteristic related to that period of a month is altered, I don't know. It could be that he just concentrates more at that time. Who knows.
I kind of like my idea where the full moon is time of the month that gold nuggets come up to bask in the moonlight to improve their golden color. Since they know they are going to come back up the next night for more moon glow, they just don't burrow back as deep the next morning. Who knows, this might explain why some nuggets are paler than others.
Got to have a sense of humor in this crazy world.
Reg

 

[Anonymous]

Reg,
I never detect when the moon is full. The extra fur on my body coupled with the fangs that I grow makes it too difficult, Dave. * * *

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Dave,
I have an ex-wife kind of like that, only she wouldn't turn back after the full moon. Finally got tired of the claw marks. Split everything fifty fifty, she got the house, I got the bills, she got the car, I got the bills, etc. Still won though, kept my sanity, or at least most of it. she tried to get that too.
Now I am back with more fur and fangs, but this time they are on my 3 dogs I acquired by accident. They don't bite or claw and are a lot smarter than the ex-wife.
Reg

 

[Anonymous]

Hi, Sean!
I may have noticed a related phenomenon.
When using a small (& cheap) all-metal pinpoint probe, I seem to recall that the detection range was increased slightly if the coil of my main detector was just outside the range where it would begin to interfere with the probe directly.
Caveat: my memory as to the exact location of the main coil may be faulty. I haven't been using a probe that exhibits that sort of behaviour for several years.
Louis