Must see video for all notch users!

[calabash digger]

If you use notch on the deus then this is a must see video for you. I ACCIDENTLY SAY GROUND NOTCH A FEW TIMES but this video has no ground notch applied and I am working on a edit to correct those mistakes where I said that. . [video]https://youtu.be/RqiSsGJkcoM[/video]

 

[calabash digger]

even if you only open up your notch window to 98-99 it still doesn't matter because notice how the deus elevates the numbers on deep silver even with id norm off in 7 kh . So you run a high risk on knocking those deep silvers out and one more thing to note is how the notch feature hurts the merc dime at 5 inchs in the iron to the point you wouldn't even dig it. One thing to note about the notch window say you have it open to 98-99 and a target hits at 97 the signal will be skewed by the notch window and it will make it sound like garbage. This is the edited one ... [video]https://youtu.be/BKOYcan22i4[/video]

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

I never use notch

 

[calabash digger]

notice the part a couple minutes in where I use id norm off and on and show the numbers on the deep silver quarter they are almost identical. Folks no matter what you think if your running a notch window of 98-99 and id norm off your still missing some deep silvers.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

notice the part a couple minutes in where I use id norm off and on and show the numbers on the deep silver quarter they are almost identical. Folks no matter what you think if your running a notch window of 98-99 and id norm off your still missing some deep silvers.

Why would ID NORM being off cause one to lose deep silvers as apposed to having ID NORM being on?

 

[calabash digger]

id norm on keys the target vdi with 17 kh which gives a higher vdi on targets than say 7 kh but at extreme depth there wasn't much difference. Take a quarter and swing in front of coil with it on and off and you will see how it works. ID norm being on or off is not the cause of losing targets at depth , its the way the deus will elevate vdi numbers at certain depths that causes this problem. I show the deus elevating the numbers on the silver quarter with it on and off.

 

[LTimedigger]

Maybe this is why i often find deep wheats in silver quarter range with notch on which is aggravating.

 

[smkunder]

So does one just live with the wrap around iron effect in order to see these deep silvers? I think that is the only reason to notch 96-99 is to get rid of the iron wrap around.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

It seems there are trade-offs for many settings we make.

 

[calabash digger]

To be honest that whole iron wrap around thing is not that big of problem if you ask me. I hunt iron infested sites with no notch and -2.5 discrim and I don't dig that much iron at all of course I use full tones and it ids iron very well. For me I would take my chances with the so called iron wrap anyday before I would knock out deep silver to avoid digging a few pieces of iron. Like I said we hunt iron infested sites and the whole iron wrap problem well its not really a problem....

 

[squirrel1]

notice the part a couple minutes in where I use id norm off and on and show the numbers on the deep silver quarter they are almost identical. Folks no matter what you think if your running a notch window of 98-99 and id norm off your still missing some deep silvers.

Why would ID NORM being off cause one to lose deep silvers as apposed to having ID NORM being on?

Calabash is correct.
Basically in a nut shell, running IDNorm off, allows on average for deeper targets to stay lower ID wise. (Excluding use of 18khz)
But once depth gets so deep Deus will go to the high side anyways.

Also note, Calabash's soil is mild.
In soil with higher minerals,,,Deus likely to run to high side ID wise on shallower targets on average.

In real high minerlized soil, this could happen on a quarter at even approx 5-6".

Also reactvity setting here can be a driver too, as far as how deep Deus will hold a lower (more correct/actual ID) of target.

This adjusting reactvity for a Deus user, can be a good strategy some times when cherry picking targets.
Meaning try to force Deus on an already located target to give correct/more correct ID.
So user can make a dig or no dig decision
Not fool proof by no means..

Also, which freq used vs (conductivity/size) of target can drive ID higher.
For example a small spent 22 LR using 4 kHz or 8khz could,be driven higher at shallower depths- giving high tone accompanied by super high meter reading.
This same target when swept in 18khz may read actual Vdi with accompanying tone to boot.

 

[calabash digger]

The way deus drives the numbers up at depth on non ferrous targets NEEDS to be looked at real hard by people who use notch and also people who like to use tone breaks at the high end . Setting a tone break at 96 and everything else above that say at 200 kh 97 -99 will give the effect that the deep silver is iron in tone. That whole iron wrap around business is WAY over played imo. I dig in iron almost everytime I'm out and the whole iron wrap around thing is well non existant really . Yeah I get a few pieces of big iron that like to false and produce a vdi 97,98,99 sometime but its not to hard to tell once you learn the tones of the deus and how it acts on such targets. I HUNT IN IRON INFESTED SITES AND REALLY DIG VERY LITTLE IRON that fools me , a piece here and there. I use full tones and always from the begging so I understand the language of the deus set up that way. To set up using notch or a tone break at say 96 is a GRAVE error and can be easily demonstrated to show it is. Put a silver dime at 9 inchs, silver quarter at 10 and a silver half at 12 and try it . WATCH what happens! Your soil may vary so it might be 8 inchs on the dime, or 9 inchs on the quarter etc, where this happens but keep playing around with the depths and you will see that there is a region in the ground where this will occur...... and the silver will be walked over if it falls in that region.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

The way deus drives the numbers up at depth on non ferrous targets NEEDS to be looked at real hard by people who use notch and also people who like to use tone breaks at the high end . Setting a tone break at 96 and everything else above that say at 200 kh 97 -99 will give the effect that the deep silver is iron in tone. That whole iron wrap around business is WAY over played imo. I dig in iron almost everytime I'm out and the whole iron wrap around thing is well non existant really . Yeah I get a few pieces of big iron that like to false and produce a vdi 97,98,99 sometime but its not to hard to tell once you learn the tones of the deus and how it acts on such targets. I HUNT IN IRON INFESTED SITES AND REALLY DIG VERY LITTLE IRON that fools me , a piece here and there. I use full tones and always from the begging so I understand the language of the deus set up that way. To set up using notch or a tone break at say 96 is a GRAVE error and can be easily demonstrated to show it is. Put a silver dime at 9 inchs, silver quarter at 10 and a silver half at 12 and try it . WATCH what happens! Your soil may vary so it might be 8 inchs on the dime, or 9 inchs on the quarter etc, where this happens but keep playing around with the depths and you will see that there is a region in the ground where this will occur...... and the silver will be walked over if it falls in that region.

What often fools me are the deep small iron square cut nails and parts of those nails. But swinging one direction than another often unmasks them. But then I have to ask myself, is it a coin next to a nail? That's what I haven't figured out a solution to.

 

[Goldpick]

I would only use notching for cherry picking shallow or surface drops in parks etc, works quite well when set up properly. I wouldn't consider using it for any other sites, nor for older/deeper coin hunting, my ears are more trustworthy.

 

[calabash digger]

I hunt sites that are loaded with those square nails on colonial and civil war era homesites. Do I dig a few in in say a all day hunt ? I talked to guy this morning who lives down in ALA and he sets his machine up where the high end sounds as iron and I explained to him where I live being fooled by iron and digging it all day is NOT a problem. I will say this from thinking back on all day hunts where we dug 100 to 120 holes in a day on iron loaded sites , I know this because of the go pro takes I film each dig .. I would bet out that many holes 10 to 15 targets were iron and not many were square nails. ( Mind you these are iron infested sites too) The ones that get me the most are the rings of iron. I mean come on out of that many holes the whole iron wrap thing if it was that big of problem my pouch should be full of iron. I think some want to hone it down and not dig one piece of junk and to me it aint gonna happen or if it does you are leaving the good stuff behind.... so my suggestion dig the ocassional square nail and don't worry about it might be a deep silver sooner or later. I said this in one of my other there is no substitution for DIGGING> I dig all kind of signals on relic sites and have seen some JUNK signals turn into finds of a life time. If your hunting shallow clad like the post above says notch might work well in those situations.

The way deus drives the numbers up at depth on non ferrous targets NEEDS to be looked at real hard by people who use notch and also people who like to use tone breaks at the high end . Setting a tone break at 96 and everything else above that say at 200 kh 97 -99 will give the effect that the deep silver is iron in tone. That whole iron wrap around business is WAY over played imo. I dig in iron almost everytime I'm out and the whole iron wrap around thing is well non existant really . Yeah I get a few pieces of big iron that like to false and produce a vdi 97,98,99 sometime but its not to hard to tell once you learn the tones of the deus and how it acts on such targets. I HUNT IN IRON INFESTED SITES AND REALLY DIG VERY LITTLE IRON that fools me , a piece here and there. I use full tones and always from the begging so I understand the language of the deus set up that way. To set up using notch or a tone break at say 96 is a GRAVE error and can be easily demonstrated to show it is. Put a silver dime at 9 inchs, silver quarter at 10 and a silver half at 12 and try it . WATCH what happens! Your soil may vary so it might be 8 inchs on the dime, or 9 inchs on the quarter etc, where this happens but keep playing around with the depths and you will see that there is a region in the ground where this will occur...... and the silver will be walked over if it falls in that region.

What often fools me are the deep small iron square cut nails and parts of those nails. But swinging one direction than another often unmasks them. But then I have to ask myself, is it a coin next to a nail? That's what I haven't figured out a solution to.

 

[LTimedigger]

Yesterday I went back to a small area at an old church I've hunted using a new modified "deep" program with 18kz and no notch. I thought I had this area pretty hunted out but found 13 more coins and a small 2 ring carbine. But most of the trash here is pull tabs, slaw and iron. The 800 lb gorilla is when bottle caps enter the picture. Won't their masking of anything smaller than a half dollar make the question of losing deep coins when notching really a mute point?

 

[calabash digger]

There is one flaw to that question your assuming that all DEEP coins have bottle caps around them . I don't hunt with the remote much and just listen to tones. ALOT of bottle caps give there self away in the audio of full tones, but tnsharpshooter made a very valid statement about guys who run their machines set up this way. He said whether you notch or use a high end tone break you will never really learn the nuance of the deus and how it acts over iron and nails. You cant reason what you cant hear..... That made a light bulb go off in my head because I realized I have learned the machine open no disc , no notch etc, and had learned how the deus acts in iron and bottle caps and all that stuff by TONAL (full tones) nuance and not a disc filter or high end tone break, notch etc. I realized that people who hunt this way have never been forced to pay attention to those types of signal to see whats off about them because they NEVER have heard them. The deus has so much info in full tones to id caps, nails, iron,slaw etc but guys using other tones 3,4,5, etc have never got to experience this. Do I dig trash of course I do but can I tell can slaw from a coin MOST of the time yes I can from the tonal response of the machine over these type of junk targets. I had to dig a lot of junk to get to that point with the deus BUT it was well worth it and I sure don't run the risk of knocking out deep silver or a good relic with a high end tone break or notch. Bottom line is this if you want to learn the deus and its nuances over caps, iron , nails etc open it up IF you want a so called easy life close it down notch ,etc. OMT there is a certain type of caps that are just hard to deal with but hey that's part of the game. CONGRATS ON ALL THE COINS AND BULLET TOO.

 

[LTimedigger]

The best advice I ever got from a more experienced Deus user was to choose one tone setting and stick to it to learn the tones so I'm with you there. And if I only relic hunted I would only use full tones. This is the question I need to clarify. If I have a silver dime sitting close to a screwcap(the worst scenario) will full tones still give a blended tone which can be learned or will it still be totally masked? Because of the extra noise this is why some guys won't run in full tones in the really trashy areas It takes more courage(smile) but is it still worth it. I know your video showed how full works in trash but the shallow coins are normally(but not always) clad. Thanks

 

[calabash digger]

If you look at my pitch and full tones video you will see me test over the five inch merc in full tones and it does lower the tone some from that high silver tone. A coin shooter might have a dilemma here but for a relic hunter it would be a no brainer. Also in the notch video the notch hurt the silver dime in iron signal bad. All the other coins were in clean ground at depth. that's a good question let me find a screw cap and I will get back to you in a little while..OMT to consider if a person is coin shooting in iron the vdi is out the window and the tones run a risk of being pulled down so theres not really a fix all solution except to dig when in doubt . Do you see what I'm saying? I doubt your gonna be able to learn the screw cap nuance enough to say there is a silver coin there but you might be able to say hey something aint quite right with that signal and I might need to check , will see. Most of my testing deals with iron.

 

[D&P-OR]

Post up a link to your vids.

If you look at my pitch and full tones video you will see me test over the five inch merc in full tones and it does lower the tone some from that high silver tone. A coin shooter might have a dilemma here but for a relic hunter it would be a no brainer. Also in the notch video the notch hurt the silver dime in iron signal bad. All the other coins were in clean ground at depth. that's a good question let me find a screw cap and I will get back to you in a little while..OMT to consider if a person is coin shooting in iron the vdi is out the window and the tones run a risk of being pulled down so theres not really a fix all solution except to dig when in doubt . Do you see what I'm saying? I doubt your gonna be able to learn the screw cap nuance enough to say there is a silver coin there but you might be able to say hey something aint quite right with that signal and I might need to check , will see. Most of my testing deals with iron.