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My Concerns about the Deus

TheHitMan

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Hi, I posted this question on another forum and no has responded, so I thought I would post it here to see if this site is more responsive. I have not yet purchased the XP Deus, but am considering it strongly... But I have some concerns I need addressed first before I pull the trigger and buy one and I have not seen the battery question addressed anywhere...

So if anyone has information on the following I would really appreciate your thoughts... Here are my questions...

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Question 1: Eventually all batteries that power a MD will have to be replaced whether they're rechargeable or regular. Rechargeable batteries only have a limited recharge life cycle before they are no good. Since the battery for the Deus is in the coil, how would one replace this battery when it's life is over?

Is this possible to change by the end user? Do we need to send the coil back to the company if the battery needs replacement? or.. Do we need to re-purchase a whole new coil which would be very expensive?

Question 2: What about the batteries in the headphones and receiver unit. Are they changeable by the user or do you have to send them back to the company? I would hope we have access to all batteries so we're not locked into a constant manufacture repair bill or repeat repurchase scenario.

Question 3: I know that Deus can detect in salty sand, but can it be totally submerged in ocean salt water if properly sealed from water? In other words, it would be easy to keep all electronics from water by putting them in water proof containers so it implies it could be a submersible detector.

Question 4: Can it do both Fresh and Salt water detecting, or is it better suited for one over the other?

Question 5: Since this is wireless, is there any chance that you could get interference from another Deus if you were detecting next to each other? Could program change effect the other Deus while hunting?

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All in all, my battery questions have me very concerned. If we are locked into a continual service or maintenance charge from factory to keep this detector running year after year, then I will have to pass on this unit...

Thanks for fielding my questions.
Dennis
 
Batteries will be a mystery for a while but you have a 2 year warranty on them and I have read reports of units using the same batteries after 4without issue or loss of run time. Lithium batteries are a different animal with thousands of recharges. How much will you save without buying batteries for at least two years ? Worth the risk IMO. You are locked into a continual contract for batteries one way or the other so I don't see the necessity of your concern.

XP sells their kit as waterproof to 15' I believe. I don't recall them saying freshwater only so do it correctly and if you have a problem , once again , you have a 5 year transferable warranty.

Neither of your concerns would prevent me from trying a Deus if I had the itch.
 
Dennis,
The batteries in the headphones and Control unit are replaceable fairly easy, the one in the coil is a different animal. Some people could probably replace it but due to the coil being waterproof it is probably advisable to send the coil in and get it replaced and resealed correctly. I think you can send it to Mass. to be done. It does not have to go to France, And it is not very expensive at all. However, I do know guys who have a couple of years on theirs and no battery problems yet.

You can now purchase a waterproof kit for the Deus

They do experience some interference if working too close to each other, changing freq can help if it gets too bad, but I really haven't seen it to be too bad a problem so far.

If you are thinking about getting one, I would highly recommend it. It really is an awesome machine with huge potential. And make sure you get a copy of Andy`s book with it.

Hope this helps some
Van
 
Here are some answers to your questions:

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Question 1: Eventually all batteries that power a MD will have to be replaced whether they're rechargeable or regular. Rechargeable batteries only have a limited recharge life cycle before they are no good. Since the battery for the Deus is in the coil, how would one replace this battery when it's life is over? Is this possible to change by the end user? Do we need to send the coil back to the company if the battery needs replacement? or.. Do we need to re-purchase a whole new coil which would be very expensive?

Only the battery needs to be replaced and the cost is minimal . . . see the response to Question 2 on the battery life and replacement.


Question 2: What about the batteries in the headphones and receiver unit. Are they changeable by the user or do you have to send them back to the company? I would hope we have access to all batteries so we're not locked into a constant manufacture repair bill or repeat repurchase scenario.

This is probably the most often asked question and really the least important in the big scheme of things, Many of the people that bought the Deus in Europe in 2009 are still on the original LION batteries in all three components. If you need to replace them, the US service center turns the replacement around in 2-3 days so there is virtually no down time. Plus that maintains the coil waterproof.


Question 3: I know that Deus can detect in salty sand, but can it be totally submerged in ocean salt water if properly sealed from water? In other words, it would be easy to keep all electronics from water by putting them in water proof containers so it implies it could be a submersible detector.

That is what the XP Deus Water Kit is for . . . . . seals the electronics from water. Of course you can simply leave the control unit on the beach since you can't see the display anyway and simply set it before going into the water - that is my preferred mode to water hunt.


Question 4: Can it do both Fresh and Salt water detecting, or is it better suited for one over the other?

The Deus is a single frequency machine that excels on coins and gold jewelry with the choice of frequencies it offers. Fresh water is no problem for the Deus and I have pulled some very small gold (many with diamonds) where other units missed the targets. Salt water is another animal in that the salt and black sand cause different challenges for the detector. There are some tricks for hunting salt water beaches - and I have done well on the Georgia and Carolina coasts using them - but it does not perform as smoothly as it does on a freshwater site. A little noisier but it is not a PI or multi-frequency circuit . . . . if you are in an area where there is a not heavy black sand, it is a non-issue.


Question 5: Since this is wireless, is there any chance that you could get interference from another Deus if you were detecting next to each other? Could program change effect the other Deus while hunting?

No, they should not talk to each other. We had 20 Deus's in close proximity (within a few feet) at the last Bootcamp training session and there was some interference but they still were able to detect 10"+ minnie balls.


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Hope this helps

Andy
 
sprchng said:
Batteries will be a mystery for a while but you have a 2 year warranty on them and I have read reports of units using the same batteries after 4 without issue or loss of run time. Lithium batteries are a different animal with thousands of recharges. How much will you save without buying batteries for at least two years ? Worth the risk IMO. You are locked into a continual contract for batteries one way or the other so I don't see the necessity of your concern.

XP sells their kit as waterproof to 15' I believe. I don't recall them saying freshwater only so do it correctly and if you have a problem , once again , you have a 5 year transferable warranty.

Neither of your concerns would prevent me from trying a Deus if I had the itch.

You know, I might have to rethink my battery concerns... Would one buy more than $500 in battery equivalent over the course of 5 years, which is the cost of a new 9" coil? I don't know, I doubt it, although I may be wrong. Since their warranty is now for 5 years, that means you would have to spend at least $100 a year on battery equivalent. I don't think that is what most spend on batteries over the course of a year. It still may be more expensive, cost wise, to run the Deus, but the benefits look to outweigh other detectors.

Thanks for responding,
Dennis
 
TheHitMan said:
sprchng said:
Batteries will be a mystery for a while but you have a 2 year warranty on them and I have read reports of units using the same batteries after 4 without issue or loss of run time. Lithium batteries are a different animal with thousands of recharges. How much will you save without buying batteries for at least two years ? Worth the risk IMO. You are locked into a continual contract for batteries one way or the other so I don't see the necessity of your concern.

XP sells their kit as waterproof to 15' I believe. I don't recall them saying freshwater only so do it correctly and if you have a problem , once again , you have a 5 year transferable warranty.

Neither of your concerns would prevent me from trying a Deus if I had the itch.

You know, I might have to rethink my battery concerns... Would one buy more than $500 in battery equivalent over the course of 5 years, which is the cost of a new 9" coil? I don't know, I doubt it, although I may be wrong. Since their warranty is now for 5 years, that means you would have to spend at least $100 a year on battery equivalent. I don't think that is what most spend on batteries over the course of a year. It still may be more expensive, cost wise, to run the Deus, but the benefits look to outweigh other detectors.

Thanks for responding,
Dennis

Two months ago the warranty was for 5 years on the unit , 2 years on the batteries. If that has been extended , great! Perhaps someone can verify.
My understanding is that the cost of a new battery in the coil is $40 for parts but there's no need to replace the entire coil which is the real engine of the Deus
 
After three years of use, I charged up the Deus and ran the batteries out to see how long the coil charge would last. With Tx power set on 2, I got 13 + hours before the coil shut down. That's a lot of juice.
 
I have my Deus 4years now,traded for it used,has to be at least 5 years old,still original batteries in 9"coil and headphones,only changed the one in the remote because wouldn't hold a charge for 24 hours,changed battery but didn't solve issue,so sent the remote to XP in France and for $100 they went thru it,got it back like a new unit,holds a charge for a month now if not used.Changing battery in remote no problem,just have to be careful,connector is small.
 
OK, I'm crying uncle... uncle... grin. an American term for "I give up". LOL. I thought you had to buy a new coil when the batteries were gone. I didn't realize it was so inexpensive to have the battery replaced.

I can live with what everyone has said here. Now I have to save up for this spendy MD... sigh...

Thanks everyone.
Dennis
 
TheHitMan said:
OK, I'm crying uncle... uncle... grin. an American term for "I give up". LOL. I thought you had to buy a new coil when the batteries were gone. I didn't realize it was so inexpensive to have the battery replaced.

I can live with what everyone has said here. Now I have to save up for this spendy MD... sigh...

Thanks everyone.
Dennis

You won't regret the purchase...just be sure to find all the "hunted out" areas and watch the goodies roll in!
 
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