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Need info about DD coils

I was wondering if anyone switching from the regular F2 coils to the DD coils can tell me if they had a big increase in bottle cap finds . I have used DD coils on other brands of detectors and noticed on some them they had a big liking for bottle caps . I was finding way more bottle caps after going to the DD coil from a regular standard coil. Not all the brand of detectors did that way but some did so was wondering about the fishers so I could decide if I might want to buy a DD coil for the F2's my sons are getting . I really like the dd coils but hate finding lots of bottle caps if I don't have too .



Harold
 
When I had just my f2 I went over a 12' x 50' area with the 8" concentric.

Found some clad, a merc and a walker also a couple bottle caps. Bought a DD for it. Went back to the same spot thinking I could snag some deeper stuff now that I had cleaned out the shallow stuff. Nah. Found litterally two 12pks worth of beer caps in that same spot.

I could see finding a few more, but considering how many I found, there is no way I did that poorly of a job with the 8" concentric of covering ground. I swing slow and overlap the grass I can see I pushed down on the preceeding swing.

Now. Mind you, it was a NEL DD coil. I can't attest to Fisher DD's, at least on the f2. On my f70, the Fisher DD that is my main coil does hit them, but gives bouncy numbers in the quarter area but you can tell it's a bottle cap due to the numbers fluctuation and the sound is a different too.
 
My F5 with the DD coil loves bottle caps, it will pick them up where i have used the 10" standard coil which doesn't read them at all. The DD coil comes in as quarters but if you keep backing up your swing until you get to the tip the signal will break up and this will not do this with a quarter. This is how it works on the F5 i would think it would be similar with the F2
 
Works the same on the f75ltd as well. They will break up if you back up. But center over its hits as a quarter. HH. C t
 
I have a Vaquero with the 5.75", standard 9X8" and the 10X12 DD plus a Compadre with a concentric 7" coil.
Using the concentrics on both units figuring out bottle caps is usually no problem, that DD coil is a totally different story and that bugs me to no end.

When I decided to get a deeper coil for the F2 I opted for the 10" coil because it is way cheaper and I was hoping it could still ID those bottle caps as well as my 8" and sniper coil can on the F2.
It does, and still goes a little deeper than that 8" coil to boot in my good soil.

In mineralized soil that DD coil is still a better choice since it handles hot soil better and will usually get a little better depth than even that 10".
You still have to trade off and deal with this bottle cap issue, but from what I can tell this is going to be a problem on most detectors and most brands no matter what you use.


Be that as it may, this is a technique you might want to try on these troublesome targets using your DD coil.
Not ever using the DD coil on the F2 I have no idea if this will work, but I have tried this using my Vaq and the front tip of the DD coil and even though it is a little more work and takes a bit more time manipulating that knob instead of looking at numbers on a screen it actually does seem to change the way my detector perceives these high end troublemakers and I can ID many more of them in the field.

"The MXT discrimination and sensitivity is such that many bottle caps (the crimped steel ones) will ID as a good quarter or dime signal, depending on how rusty they are, when your coil sweeps are centered over them.

The XLT and DFX, with their Signagraph capability, have an easier time of it. The Signagraph will show the target with multiple separated bars and give the bottle cap away.

When I am hunting with my MXT in an area where these bottle caps are plentiful, the easiest way to identify them, rather than digging them, is to take another pass over them in discriminate mode, but this time do it with the edge of the coil, instead of the coil centered on the target. "Rimming" the target this way will let the detector show them up as ferrous targets. This technique will work with just about any VLF detector.

Try it!"


I would be very interested to know if this really will work using the F2 and a DD coil so if you try it please report back if you could.
 
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I had to laugh as I recently purchased an F2 in a 3 coil package, one being the DD Coil. It has been so hot here,

I have not had the ambition to put this machine to real use yet but I did run it for a bit the other day with the DD coil and it produced out of all the melted aluminum from peoples old camp fires, some coins and yes, those rusty old battle caps showing as Quarters. Please understand that I have not spent enough time with this machine to relate the number display to specific metalic items but the segment for a Quarter did display for some of the caps I dug.

Now the only other machine I have that has an assortment of coils is a Whites GM V-Sat used for gold nugget hunting. It is strictly an ALL METAL machine but I have two DD coils and one that is a elliptical concentric. With either of these machines, the nature of the DD coil is it will sort of speaking, see much easier through the Iron content of soil than will a concentric or elliptical concentric. My experience with the elliptical concentric has been with hot rocks for example, that it will respond to those on or partially exposed to the surface. Now my two elliptical DD coils, one a standard size and the other smaller, have a tendency to respond not only to surface and partially exposed, but to hot rocks that are buried. I'm not going to go into the details of how to know a Hot and Cold rock but the DD coil has the ability to allow more power to be used in detecting without so much of it being reflecting back and overwhelming the machine than do the concentric unless the soil is mostly void of iron and then the concentric by design will go deeper.

One example I once read was you are on the road at night in the fog and a rabbit is in the road. When your lights are on dim (less power, your Gain or Sensitivity), not so much of the light reflects back off the fog (iron content) and you can see the rabbit. If you turn on your bright lights (turn up the power, your Gain or Sensitivity), more of the light is going to reflect back off the fog (the iron content) so the rabbit is going to be harder to see. The concentric are looking at a whole pie (soil with iron content) where an elliptical DD is only looking at a long slice of it.

The only explanation I can come up with on some bottle caps is, the metal content or possibly an outer micro cladding is something other than steel that evades iron rejection. Being they are food/drink related, they may even contain a low grade of stainless steel that would eventually rust. The thing about all the different machines indicators, bells , and wistles is, sooner or later, some metallic item is going to fool them all. I suspect though if a guy plays around enough with the numerical identity feature which I have not spent enough time with yet, you may see a number trend and relate it to a specific sound in relation to coil swing pass.

So far, I'm thinking the F2 is as capable a machine as any other and personally, I enjoy and mostly use elliptical DD coils more often than concentric and I don't use a hand held pin pointer even though one came with the F2. Thinking back, have been detecting since about 1982, some bottle caps have just been a part of the detecting thing and it's my belief that DD coils have the potential of discovering them more often but then I'm kind of a dig all guy anyhow. I don't care how much a person spends on a machine, they all sooner or later can be fooled and miss a good target.
 
REVIER:

I have an MXT Pro with 2 concenetrics and 2 DD coils. I also have a F75 SE LTD with the 11"DD and the 10" & 6.5" elliptical concentric coils.

Both detectors with the DD coil give high tones for crown bottle caps but if you move the coil to the edge of the target with the toe or heel of the coil both detectors show ferrous IDs. The conentrics are a little better in bottle cap ID and the ID numbers jump around as do the tones.

Not havig an F2 I cannot say for sure how the 11"DD would perform but I would suspect it would ID the same as on the F75 11"DD.

ArizFlash
 
ArizFlash said:
REVIER:

I have an MXT Pro with 2 concenetrics and 2 DD coils. I also have a F75 SE LTD with the 11"DD and the 10" & 6.5" elliptical concentric coils.

Both detectors with the DD coil give high tones for crown bottle caps but if you move the coil to the edge of the target with the toe or heel of the coil both detectors show ferrous IDs. The conentrics are a little better in bottle cap ID and the ID numbers jump around as do the tones.

Not havig an F2 I cannot say for sure how the 11"DD would perform but I would suspect it would ID the same as on the F75 11"DD.

ArizFlash

Yea, the guy that wrote this runs with an MXT and he did state that this should work on most VLF detectors.
I no it works on my Vaquero and my Dd coil, but it sure does take a little longer manipulating that disc knob down to iron to check it.
Hopefully it will work much quicker on a unit with the screen.
 
Hey guys, here is another piece to the puzzle. I'm running an F70 with a 10" concentric coil which is working out pretty well. My experience level has now gotten me to where I am able to identify pocket spills or identify coins with trash nearby. Not every time, but I am starting to at least get a clue as to what is going on. When you talk about the heel and toe of the DD it reminds me of a habit I have gotten into doing with those stay-tabs that like to pass themselves off as nickels. I work the edges the same as you would with your heel or toe but with the concentric coil. The ID tone doesn't change much, even in delta tones, but the longer you keep working the target, the more jumpy the VDI# get. They will jump from 28 to 34 it seems at times. Since I've been looking at the concentric as being an up side down traffic cone 10" long with a golf ball sized tip, I can isolate some pretty tangled up trashy areas just by scanning the area holding the coil at different heights. I know I am missing some things that a DD or sniper would sort out but I am afraid by switching coils at this time might begin a whole new learning curve and I'm not bored with learning this one yet. I am really starting to enjoy the F70--Fisher Rocks. Maybe I should just put a sniper on my wife's: Ace250 :)
 
Plain and simple the larger DD coils just like bottlecaps...in way out places more depth and coverage but for most parks prepare to dig a bunch of caps...If you experiment perhaps ways to tell but time consuming at best...
PS: this is not true with all brands but should answer your question...
 
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