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out of all the emails i have sent to various new jersey government officials including the governor and local chambers of commerce, i have finally received one response. i just received an email from a member of a local chamber of commerce and she had no idea what i was talking about. she did some research on the law and stated that in nowhere in the bill does it outlaw metal detecting. what she doesnt realize is the law prohibits digging on public land. so anyone out there that wants to metal detect on jersey public land, leave your digging tools at home.
 
Thats like saying you have the right to speak your mind just as long as nobody else hears it.
BTW, reading the bill, it has some reference to the prohibition being applicable only to certain archealogical sites. Does this mean if its not certified as an archaelogical site you can dig? I dont know, but just trying to figure a way around this $hi77y law for our friends in NJ.
 
got an update from my point of contact in the local chamber of commerce and she researched the law with someone and she emailed me back and stated"you MAY be OK on the beach but the wilderness is protected" i am confident that within two or three years the beach will be offlimits too.
 
They will have a problem getting the beach communites to enforce a "no digging" law. That would hurt tourism. People would get very upset if their kids weren't allowed to dig those huge pits in the beach and build sandcastles. It would also stop all the people who build the sand sculptures. So I kind of doubt it will fly at the Jersey Shore. But you never know. It will definitely make the National News when they start arresting little kids for digging on the beach <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> As the law stands now all state public and municiple lands are off limits to digging. Essentially the only place you can dig now in NJ is on private property. So in reality the beaches are already off limits since they are I believe municiple property. So far the Police haven't told me I can't detect and I do talk to them as they drive by while patrolling the beach. Then again maybe the new law hasn't filtered down to them yet. I am not about to ask them about it <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
Happy Holidays
Beachcomber
 
Heck I traveled the gamblers bus from Pa. to NJ Atlantic City for 10 years in off season...haven't been down in a while due to the new sand added and health problems..Only a matter of time till detecting is outlawed. Being a retired policeman I know one complaint and a supervisor(CYA) will instruct to give warnings and then issue citations..
Gosh the shore holds many good memories...
 
Only time will tell what the final outcome of this new law will be.
Happy Holidays
Beachcomber
 
good luck, I know it sucks, but I'd still do my own thing till I actually got busted...then I'd take it before the judge...doubt with all the real crime out there that they would do anything to ya...Ray
 
bulletman, go to www.njleg.state.nj.us. you will see a box labeled bill number(S). type in A1930 and the law should open up.
 
Don't be fooled Ray, Your actions affect all of us. I know you are aggrevated, but is this the right course to take? Times are changing, and more so in our favor. Think about your hobby, and all your friends, do you want to be a loner? Or support the very thing that you and all of us look forward to every chance we get to get out and do our thing. You can hurt yourself, or help us all, you decide. I'm here if you need me. Support our hobby. Its in your park. I know you didn't invest your money to go bust. Join us, help us. We need you brother.
 
I guess it is differnt from state to state. In Ms.they told me that hunting on public land was O.K. as long as it was not an archeological site. They actually invited me to become part of a program called "PATHWAYS IN TIME". It may be different in your state. Call on your local agencys. You might be supprised. Especially if you have an interest in a particular site. Just ask? What can it hurt? Got nothing else to do every evening, do you?
 
Here are the legal citations:
Code of Federal Regulations, 36 CFR 261.9: "The following are prohibited:
(g) digging in, excavating, disturbing, injuring, destroying, or in any way
damaging any prehistoric, historic, or archaeological resources, structure,
site, artifact, or property; (h) removing any prehistoric, historic, or
archaeological resources, structure, site, artifact, property."
USDA Forest Service Manual Direction: "Metal Detector Use. Metal
detectors may be used on public lands in areas that do not contain or would
not reasonably be expected to contain archaeological or historical
resources. They must be used, however, for lawful purposes. Any act with
a metal detector that violates the proscriptions of the Archaeological
Resources Protection Act (ARPA) or any other law is prosecutable. Normally,
developed campgrounds, swimming beaches, and other developed recreation
sites are open to metal detecting unless there are heritage resources
present. In such cases, Forest Supervisors are authorized to close these
sites by posting notices in such sites."
ARPA, 16 U.S.C. 470cc: "No person may excavate, remove, damage, or
otherwise alter or deface or attempt to excavate, remove, damage or
otherwise alter or deface any archaeological resources located on public
lands or Indian lands unless such activity is pursuant to a permit..."
Definitions: Archaeological resource means any material remains of
prehistoric, or historic human life or activities which are of
archaeological interest and are at least 50 years of age, and the physical
site, location, or context in which they are found. Prehistoric resource
means any structural, architectural, archaeological, artifactual or other
natural remains of past human life or activity generally prior to the
advent of written records and of anthropological interest, and the physical
site, location, or context in which they are found.
PLEASE NOTE, THIS IS IN MS!! Should be National though.
 
I would'nt go asking a whole lot,as if you get the right Beaurocrat interested in this new law he might start probing around to see if he could make a name for himself by enforcing it to the extreme,I know that its nice to know where you stand on this,but sometimes its best to let sleeping dogs lay,in other words,dont get their attention focused on it,just my two cents worth,Cal
 
I'M with you Ray,the people have done way to much turning the other cheek to some fat-a**ed liberal bueororat judge that wants to take away every right the law abiding tax paying citizen has,but considers it alright and mighty fine to suck the brains out of a helpless unborn baby,maybe its not (politically correct)to metal detect any more.Cal
 
Yeh bud,read my post above=under public land=,i say the same,dont bring it to their attention.Am sure it would have to be a sign or something warning the public against detecting that spot for the law to be enforced,Cal
 
most people that run for office are the type that can't or won't hack it in the private sector. much to the shame of all of us for letting these critters in. just the two faced duplicity of the nj law that states in the first sentence,"to protect certain archeological sites". nobody in their right mind wants these sites plundered. most people would only read the heading and say this is fine. if you read on, the law places all public land in restriction. now i am assuming that all of new jersey is not an archeological site. this shows how lazy our law makers are. instead of listing off limits areas, they, in their infinite wisdom, have placed the whole state off limits. this total ban is reminiscent of the former soviet union. everything is owned by the people and the government owns the people. i had an email discussion with a nj state senator, and his reasoning for this law was to prevent nj relics from being sold on e bay. i suggested that they should ban e bay in new jersey too. watch out for new legislation from our comrades in the new jersey politburo.
 
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