Outlaw,s no motion tips on tuning it right

[GunnarMN]

Some have complanied that the no motion goes nuts, and is like riding a bull at the rodeo , well Iam still learning thigs I would not recomend it for pinpointing but for relick hunting , But it needs to be properly ground balanced from what i can tell , if its ground balanced in the negitive and you switch from threshold to NO MO with the coil on the ground and then lift it it will sound off, it must be responding to the negitive ground balance you can press retune or just make shure the coil is off the ground when you switch it over I had no probem going form disc to no - motion but only from threshold to no motion.. if it is positive and you switch over to no motion with the coil on the ground its de tuned and you will not get any depth if you lift it in air and put it in no motion and lower it to the ground it sounds off so it need to be netral or slightly negitive in my experiance so far hope this video helps [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lVrjcWQe40&list=UUjtTA1ZSEXhfWtQ12CPzXnA&index=1[/video]

 

[Idxpro]

Gun, great job as usual. This is my first tesoro and first manual balance machine. In you opinion, should this be happening? It just really lloks to be a glitch in the circuitry. Are all manual gb machines like this when you switch modes. It's instabilty is making me second guess my settings constantly. This is my first Tesoro and wanted simple, deep, sensitive, and light. So far, its everything but simple thats for sure. I dont like always wondering about settings while hunting. I like to set and forget and enjoy. To much more of this and i hate to admit it, but, it may be time for new machine I can tame.

 

[SpiritRelic]

So you do have to be aware of how it is ground balanced for sure.If we get used to the button i don't think there is a problem.Gunnar talk about the button.If you push it half way in it puts the detector in no motion.If you fully press the button it puts it in motion.If you can learn this button effectively,is were you can really get some info because at the touch of a thumb you can be in one of three different modes.That is what's so powerful. :O

 

[GunnarMN]

You know what i have never messed with the button wile in disc I am ignorant on this one and lost my manuel, so i need help on that one . I am a student of this machine the fine tuning will come when i get it out in the feild, IDX just be patient , give it some time , you dont even have to hunt in the no motion just hunt in disc and ground balance in threshold and put it in disc. I am goofy i like to hunt in all metal , and dont like disc , so dont think you have to do as i do . but its nice having diffrent tesoro machines, you may like a diffrent one better . I have got rid of lots of machines just to try a diffrent one out thast no problem . if you dicide to go with somthing els. I like the outlaw because it does what nothing els i have owned can do kinda a cool machine

 

[Idxpro]

I dont want to give up just yet Gun. Sometimes i do get frustrated especially during this really long winter here not being able to get ample time to learn it. I appreciate all you guys do here for us new Tesoro guys. I know there are many dedicated tesoro guys and im determined to find out why..

 

[mojotrout]

well done Gunnar. I knew something crazy was going on when I would completely lose a signal when going from Disc to All-metal. that darn re-tune button still has me scratching my head...

 

[SpiritRelic]

It would be easier to get used to the button to change modes and retune.But it takes some practice.Get a target in disc,push the button all the way in to check the target in motion all metal.Push the button half way in puts the detector in no motion.Then the important part about the button,pinpointing,as your finger has the button half pushed then you detune,the target by pushing the button all the way in,you then let your finger come back out to the half way position.You are now in the detuned laser pinpointing mode.You see how the button can be used in these steps.Much easier than flipping through the toggle switch.You can shrink your target quickly to a very precise micro narrow point by detuning against the target.If you can train you finger and brain with the outlaw you could very well be the fastest gun in the west with laser like accuracy.It is all in your finger action that has to follow the steps through to perform this smoothly.

 

[Matt_SC]

Hitting that halfway point on the button takes practice. I'm not too good at it yet.

 

[Idxpro]

I hear that. I need to rest my finger half on the bezel and half on the button to make it happen.

 

[GunnarMN]

spirit good explanation of the button, now i get it .

 

[SpiritRelic]

I have owned and operated a bunch of different Tesoro detectors.And the retune rate in motion all metal and disc mode is much slower than the ones i've used.This is were Tesoro claims extra sensitivity to small targets.If the retune rate is lower the detector has more time to pick the target up.This is were the outlaw is going to make such a good small jewelry detector.Retune rate has a lot to do with how well you can pick up deep targets also.

 

[Monte]

Yes, it is good that folks try to help others with a 'tip' that might help them better understand a particular model function or control settings. Heck, often I have encountered a manufacturers Owner's Manual that wasn't clearly written or edited and there are glitches in the instructions. We can also get a model in hand that has a 'glitch' that even the design engineers weren't aware of, or whoever field tested a prototype didn't figure out to have a correction made, and the result is a detector that might not function at peak performance due to an inbred design glitch.

However, it can be very confusing if the person making the 'tip' is not that familiar, theirself, with the control settings of a particular detector model. I note that you stated you didn't have the Owner's Manual for the Outlaw. Well, it takes but a minute or two to read it online. That could be helpful.

Also, as I read through your post and watched the video, you refer to a setting that isn't labeled as such, and it would be better is the viewer or reader, especially if they are new to the hobby or new to tis mode, had a better understanding or explanation of the control functions.

Better still, I think it would be even better if a detector manufacturer wouldn't add extra functions that really can end up confusing the issue, such as taking a good old control switch system and doubling or duplicating it. That's the case with he Outlaw and their All Metal mode toggle and All Metal mode push-button when compared with the Bandido II

 

[Idxpro]

Great Post Monte! I think we are all trying to figure this thing out. I understand where your going with this, the button is crap!! The real issue is lets say you set a "perfect" gb in AM Auto then flip to Disc and hunt. You then flip to all metal non motion and back, things get weird if you don't hit retune before resuming the hunt. Is this normal? I also just noticed (literally just now) that if i touch the toggle switch, the volume of the threshold gets louder. Detector sitting on my table, all metal with a slight audio, I simply touch my finger to the toggle and the audio gets louder like a bad ground or something. I may have just discovered an issue with my Outlaw. I'm no electronic tech but I know this shouldn't happen. I may have found the problem with my wacky Outlaw

 

[Idxpro]

Monte, i've also heard several say simply hitting the retune every once in a while hunting optimizes the unit. This really has me baffled. Why would this optimize anything? This too is misleading, am I correct?

 

[SpiritRelic]

Great Post Monte! I think we are all trying to figure this thing out. I understand where your going with this, the button is crap!! The real issue is lets say you set a "perfect" gb in AM Auto then flip to Disc and hunt. You then flip to all metal non motion and back, things get weird if you don't hit retune before resuming the hunt. Is this normal? I also just noticed (literally just now) that if i touch the toggle switch, the volume of the threshold gets louder. Detector sitting on my table, all metal with a slight audio, I simply touch my finger to the toggle and the audio gets louder like a bad ground or something. I may have just discovered an issue with my Outlaw. I'm no electronic tech but I know this shouldn't happen. I may have found the problem with my wacky Outlaw

Check it out.Robert stated on another forum that there were a few issues found on some. :-D

 

[Hombre]

Great Post Monte! I think we are all trying to figure this thing out. I understand where your going with this, the button is crap!! The real issue is lets say you set a "perfect" gb in AM Auto then flip to Disc and hunt. You then flip to all metal non motion and back, things get weird if you don't hit retune before resuming the hunt. Is this normal? I also just noticed (literally just now) that if i touch the toggle switch, the volume of the threshold gets louder. Detector sitting on my table, all metal with a slight audio, I simply touch my finger to the toggle and the audio gets louder like a bad ground or something. I may have just discovered an issue with my Outlaw. I'm no electronic tech but I know this shouldn't happen. I may have found the problem with my wacky Outlaw

With all do respect,

.. I think that you guys that are messing around with your Outlaws inside the house are going at it all wrong, I never test the operation of a detector inside the house. I do simple air tests inside the house in discriminate mode, but when you are messing with the all-metal mode, there is too much EMI going on. It is no wonder that that the Outlaw is doing squirrelly operation in the house with all the electrical interferance going on. It needs to have the ground signal fed into the circuit, so take it outside on real ground to test.

 

[Idxpro]

This applies to outdoor as well.

 

[GunnarMN]

Well with all the said , sayings I am pleased with the outlawr.

 

[Idxpro]

Hey Gun, just keep those videos coming. Looks like its going to take me alot longer than i thought to master this thing and i need all the info i can find...hehe

 

[GunnarMN]

Will do , hopfully some actual hunting videos , and in ground depth testing , that s going to be fun, the only thing i am in doubt on and it has to be tested, is this we have black sand in this soil and when it rains the dirt road will wash and creat concentrated lenses of black sand , they had an efect on my other detectors because it goes from moderat ground to high minerals , it did not shut me down but you could hear it , I dont know how the outlaw will handle it yet, what i find is you may cause a response but only one way whearas a target is able to soundoff in both derections.