Overwhelmed with trash!

[Mark kus]

I hit a park yesterday and was almost overwhelmed with trash signals I dug coins
But man I a there a better setting for say "trashy parks"???
Im new with the Deus but I wont be selling my Etrac soon!

 

[Flintstone]

Most all good parks are full of trash, that means a lot of people and not much detecting. It just takes time and a lot of digging but I bet there is some good finds there. How old is the park? If old enough think SILVER. Most people don't like to hunt parks like that, but I do, TAKE YOUR TIME. Good luck

 

[sprchng]

Those types of parks are certainly not the forte of the Deus , it just loves aluminum way too much. Screw caps are a real PITA and constantly changing frequencies to check bottle caps is tedious , not to mention the lack of a small coil. The etrac with a sniper 6" type coil is much more enjoyable and effective is a site like that. However , the quick separation of the Deus with a tight disc/notch set-up can help reduce the aggravation but you have to limit yourself to narrow open windows. The Deus tones don't carry the information you get from the FBS machines so you need to change your strategy.

 

[jadocs]

Hold on, you can adjust the discrimination to quiet it down the trash. It's a give and take scenario, if you run disc (depending on what your setting is) you can disc out certain desirable targets, but if you want to hear everything you will need to deal with the trash signals. No detector out there can filter just trash and let all desirable targets through. Pull tabs are a perfect example...gold can ring up in the exact same range depending on composition. Take your time and learn your machine, you have one of the best out there. Get some hours under your belt, read Andy's book...watch the XP Classroom videos.

 

[amberjack]

horses for courses as the saying goes, no one perfect detector its just how it is, remember this machine is/was made for European type detecting on small to medium iron and dig it all, so in those conditions its going to kick butt, modern park not so much (if trying to use it like a minelab) but it does have some redeeming factors that will have it remain in my kit bag..

its like polar opposite to a minelab which in modern parks (200 years or less with aluminium topping) are sure hard to beat if looking for silver coins etc..

I got mine to hunt from iron to zinc and really that's what it was made for it can also do well in spots that pull minelabs threshold up and basically render them useless (heavy iron coins above zinc) so like all good fisherpersons I have a few poles

that's where I am at after about 50hrs in and as I said to my mate ask me in 5 years what I think about the Deus and I must say its going to stay the cream always rises to the top..


AJ

 

[Mark kus]

Most all good parks are full of trash, that means a lot of people and not much detecting. It just takes time and a lot of digging but I bet there is some good finds there. How old is the park? If old enough think SILVER. Most people don't like to hunt parks like that, but I do, TAKE YOUR TIME. Good luck

Its old found silver there beautiful barbra quarter and dime friend found those there but few and far between I got a silver rosie..
I tend to use the Etrac there because of the trash

 

[TN Mike]

I'm a trashy parks hunter. I bought a Racer 2 thinking it would do well but it doesn't. Its just the variation between notched out stuff and close to the coil aluminium/trash that makes the Racer snap crackle and pop so much and with so much volume that you would miss small masked high tones. I saw this first hand.

Though this is not about the Racer 2, I use it as a good example of a machine just not suited for trash. Its to sensitive a machine to small stuff. I dare say the only machine I dont mind running in trashy areas is my Bandido II Umax. Its LACK of sensitivity to small aluminium and foil make it more bearable in the trash beds. And, it still hits ring shaped objects hard.

That being said, this is what I'm going to try and accomplish, a Bandido II Umax style program.. I am a Deus noob so dont flame me to hard lol

Only aiming for 5" of depth. As much separation as I can get. Clean notching.

Feel free to pick my thinking apart.

4khz to 7khz - Kill all sensitivity to small aluminium and foil. Tried 4 and 7 in a nasty little patch a couple hours ago. Seemed like I got some odd high VDI's on shallow tabs and beaver tails with 4 but quieted down a good bit in 7. Was digging 4 - 6" coins in trash the Racer 2 had been over.

Sensitivity 75

Audio Response 7 for hard hits.

Reactivity 2.5

Silencer 1

Disc 6.5

Notch 0 - 52 and 65 - 80. then moved it to 89 for a little more sanity and less zinc.

So far I think it ran relatively quiet. Very close to the Bandido II Umax in terms of noise. Dug a couple coins with trash in the hole. One with a rusty screw in the same hole.

 

[amberjack]

try Reactivity on 5 if your only shallow hunting 1st 6" its well have a go see what ya recon

AJ

 

[TN Mike]

I actually started at 4 and it seemed like I lost a lot of depth on gold rings falling in the 52 - 65 notch. In air testing the most I got was right about 5" with a reactivity of 2.5 +/-.... Zinc and up coins still hit hard to 7"+

Edits: Reactivity 5.... it only goes to 4 lol

 

[bleeohio]

Mkus, how many tones are you running in the park? The Deus is really no different than any other sparky machine but can be set to do well on grass. You just may not be able to run it full throttle all the time. Up your disc some, don't run tracking gb as it is noisier, notch out some problem targets and run three or four tones as not to be bombarded by full just yet. You're getting a lot of good info here in all the posts.
Just try a few at a time and it will click for you at some point. The Deus is not a great detector because of hype, it has proven itself. Our patience though is another story, I know mine is. Good luck

 

[Foiled]

I was in a super trashy park yesterday, tabs jumping from 64-96, if you disc out 62-64 there goes your nickels and 64-65 is where a lot of square tabs come up. I only got fooled by one cap and one tab yesterday out of about 100 and something, just have to learn it. Use the XY screen, the tone and the numbers to narrow them down, just takes a while to learn. If it isn't a steady signal I usually won't dig it if I'm after coins. Pennies 90-91, dimes 92-93 and quarters 94-95 was pretty much all I focused on yesterday and that was with normalization on. Caps seem to be stronger and the X/Y screen usually makes more of a big loop than a small straight line and sound more scratchy than coins. Raising the coil helps too, with a cap if you raise it the number drops, with a coin it stays more the same and only drop maybe one digit, like a quarter will read 94 and raising it drops to 93 at the most. Something I've noticed with tabs, if you raise the coil the numbers seem to go higher or bounce anywhere from 60-98. I watched one go from 85 all the way to 99 the more I lifted the coil. Your dirt may be different.

 

[TN Mike]

Will the x y screen still show target info if the target is notched out? Not at home so I can't test otherwise I'd test before I ask.

 

[Foiled]

Will the x y screen still show target info if the target is notched out? Not at home so I can't test otherwise I'd test before I ask.

I just tried that in my yard with a nickel and a platinum ring, if I DISC it all the way to 70 the vdi would give the number and the XY would show, if I NOTCHED to 70 the vdi would give no number but the XY would still indicate it. It was just a quick test and the XY line did not seem too straight, I tried to find a clean spot in my yard, maybe something else down there.

 

[TN Mike]

The XY screen is amazing at showing how bottle caps respond. I was hoping that I could find a way to enable the VDI readings even if the object is partially notched out and or scratchy sounding. This does it.

 

[amberjack]

we all have to find what works best for us and having all usage info sure helps with that..

AJ

 

[Mark kus]

Mkus, how many tones are you running in the park? The Deus is really no different than any other sparky machine but can be set to do well on grass. You just may not be able to run it full throttle all the time. Up your disc some, don't run tracking gb as it is noisier, notch out some problem targets and run three or four tones as not to be bombarded by full just yet. You're getting a lot of good info here in all the posts.
Just try a few at a time and it will click for you at some point. The Deus is not a great detector because of hype, it has proven itself. Our patience though is another story, I know mine is. Good luck

Im new running basic 1 I have yet to try to much with settings

 

[Architex]

Let me see if I can give you a bit of encouragement. I have a grand total of 7.6 hrs. of experience with my Deus so I'm hardly an expert, newbie is more like it. After reading your post yesterday i went to the trashiest place I know today to kind of run a test. When I say trashy I mean if you swing the coil 5 ft. anywhere in any direction you will get at least 10 hits. The trash is pull tabs, tab rings, beaver tails, and bottle tops. In half an hour today I did about 20 digs and of those I predicted and got 3 pennies. Of course that means I got fooled 17 times but I think I would have been the same with any other detector. It certainly has happened, in the same spot, with my V3i.

So just hang in there, learn the VDI numbers, use the XY screen, and you too can become an "expert" like me.

 

[Mark kus]

Let me see if I can give you a bit of encouragement. I have a grand total of 7.6 hrs. of experience with my Deus so I'm hardly an expert, newbie is more like it. After reading your post yesterday i went to the trashiest place I know today to kind of run a test. When I say trashy I mean if you swing the coil 5 ft. anywhere in any direction you will get at least 10 hits. The trash is pull tabs, tab rings, beaver tails, and bottle tops. In half an hour today I did about 20 digs and of those I predicted and got 3 pennies. Of course that means I got fooled 17 times but I think I would have been the same with any other detector. It certainly has happened, in the same spot, with my V3i.

So just hang in there, learn the VDI numbers, use the XY screen, and you too can become an "expert" like me.

Thanks ill try the xy screen

 

[Maxwedge]

Cat Juggling With Steve Martin-Great movie and nothing like it. HH-Mark

 

[amberjack]

yes and we have to have some fun here don't we can get a bit too serious at times so cat juggling helps with that

a big thanks to Steve and the cats..

AJ

Cat Juggling With Steve Martin-Great movie and nothing like it. HH-Mark