Pounded park still gives up the goodies, multible silver!

[Goes4ever]

The expanded scales sound good, but in the ground do targets ID that accurately or do they tend vary on the conductive scale?

Chris

some people here say they ID accurately but on sites I hunt they tend not too, nickels is the worst, they are supposed to be 12-12....BUT....the places I hunt are littered with iron, trash, coal, etc.....and they come in all over the place, I have had nickels be as low as 06-08, 09-10, 10-10, etc.....only time I get a solid 12-12 is when it is a new shallow nickel.

most other coins are much closer to where they should be unless real deep, indians are normally 34, 35, 36,...wheats are almost always 39, 40, 41, copper memorials are 42, 43, 44, clad dimes are 44, 45.............etc, you get the point

 

[Digger]

I agree with G4E in that not all targets provide the same TID in the soil as they might in the air. I'm not a big believer in air tests when it comes to depth. But for testing TID or target separation, when properly set up, the E-TRAC provides pretty accurate analysis. As with any detector, (other than adjacent targets) depth is one of the biggest culprits when it comes to maintaining an accurate TID. And as we all know, ground conditions can alter your results. But since the E-TRAC doesn't require Ground Balance, and you can run in Auto Sens, much of the "guess work" is taken out of the equation. Again, other than the effects of adjacent targets. I guess what I'm saying is that the TID provided by the FBS detectors is about as good as it gets, for accuracy. And I've not found a detector that can ID as deeply as the FBS machines. There are those who state they can tell a clad dime from a silver dime, by the E-TRAC TID. I am not one of those people. But I can tell copper pennies from quarters and dimes, based on the conductive TID. And whether you are cherry picking the local park or just want to know what color the target is going to be when you open the hole, that is of benefit to me. JMHO HH Randy

 

[captn_se]

Terry,

Looks like 2 tone FER is working out for you. I know in trashy parks that there's plenty of silver/wheats/Injuns being completely masked by surface trash. No matter what settings we put our machines in, we're not going to hear the deeper target unless we dig that shallow target out of the ground. Strip mining can be an effective technique in areas you know have produced well in the past. I remember digging every possible signal underneath a 250+ year old oak tree at an old park. Once we lifted the layers and layers of surface pull tabs, ring tabs, aluminum, iron, etc from under the tree, the deeper coin signals started to come to life. We pulled so many coins we couldn't previously hear.....too many to count. And we didn't find them all in one day either. 15-20 hunts later, we were still finding really deep coins that were just whispers, even after all the surface trash had been removed.

Good Luck!!

CAPTN SE
Dan

 

[Goes4ever]

seems like an idea I may want to try at my fairgrounds, pick an old area and start cleaning up the trash to see whats underneath!

 

[boneyfingers]

I'm new to Etrac, only had mine for about 6 weeks, and am learning a lot from this forum. No silver yet but lot of deep pennies, so I know I have not had the coil over silver or I would have found it.

For an "Apples to Apples" test tell me if the following idea will work?

Build a Conductive Program with all the SAME SETTINGS that you are running in the Ferrous 2-Tone program. (If you use an open screen in one program then use an open screen in the other, etc). Then Save that Conductive program next door to where you have saved your Ferrous 2-Tone program. Next, load you Conductive program into your QUICK MASK and your Ferrous 2-Tone into your Digital Screen.

With a quick touch of the Quick Mask touchpad you can go from one program to the other. When you get a good signal on a target in Ferrous 2-Tone simply switch to Quick Mask (Conductive Program) and rescan the target to see how it sounds or TID's in that mode.

Hopefully this will be a true "Apples to Apples" comparison.

I've been using Ferrous 2-Tone for about a week now (with Fast ON, Deep Off, Varibility at 30, Sensitivity at Auto + 1, Threshold at 18, Volumn limit 30, Volumn gain 22, Response Normal, Trash Density High, Ground Neutral. I Blacked Out the bottom of the screen up to Ferrous 22 so as not to hear as many Ferrous Sounds (as I was hearing too many very small ferrous objects). Now I hear fewer ferrous sounds but I can still hear High Tones when I cross a conductive object. In the past week of using this program I have heard (and dug) about 200 coins, (memorial pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters, wheat pennies, buffalo nickles and a silver ring). Most of these were found by hearing a LOW TONE AND A HIGH TONE under the coil AT THE SAME TIME. I criss-cross those signals from 2 directions TRYING to PINPOINT THE HIGH TONE . When the hole is open I use my Sunray X-1 to find and remove the ferrous object if necessary in order to find the coin. While probing the open hole the Sunray X-1 lots of times will seperate the ferrous from the conductive although many time I have to remove the ferrous object FIRST in order to hear the coin. I have found as many a 4 coins in the same hole after removing the rusty items.

I sometimes use a Very High Discrimate program in Quick Mask (blacking out EVERTHING but pennies, dimes and quarters) to rescan the hole before digging. Many times this Discrimate program WILL NOT HEAR a signal (probably because I have it set so high) on the same target as Ferrous 2-Tone.
I use the TID numbers in Ferrous 2-Tone to tell if I am over a pull tab or coin.

I've had good luck with this method so far, but still NO SILVER, yet I know it will come WHEN I GET ONE UNDER THE COIL.

This is just my inexperienced opinion being as new as I am, but I hope you will try the "Apples to Apples" test and post the results.

Thanks,
Kenneth

 

[in the woods]

Awesome, just live those Barbers. That's an impressive amount of junk.
Tin Pan Man

 

[Digger]

Congrats on making so many finds in such a short period of time. However, unless I'm not fully understanding your suggestion, I don't believe that "apples to apples" process of saving programs will work. Quick Mask is not a separate program. It is simply a way to apply a specific level of iron mask functionality to the hunt mode you are running. If that chosen hunt mode is set up for conductive tones, Quick Mask will carry over those conductive tones. If the hunt mode you are using is set for ferrous tones, Quick Mask will continue with ferrous tones. Again, I may not have understood how it was you were programming each mode. So let me know if I read it wrong.

As to hearing both a low tone and a high tone at the same time, it sure can seem like it. Knowing that the E-TRAC can only produce one tone on one target at a time, it really makes you appreciate the separation capabilities. And, it teaches us a very valuable lesson on sweep speed with the FBS detectors. JMHO HH Randy

 

[boneyfingers]

Randy,
Sorry for the confusion on the two tones under the coil at the same time. I didn't actually mean both sounds at once, I meant both UNDER THE COIL AT THE SAME TIME (with seperate sounds).

Being new, I guess I am confused, but I thought that saving DIFFERENT SETTINGS under DISCRIMINATION MENU--- IN MY PATTERN 1 OR MY PATTERN 2 etc would call those particular settings up when selected and entered into the digital screen with the DETECT BUTTON. I thought that any of these patterns could be loaded into the QUICK MASK screen. After checking farther I notice that both the digital screen and the quick mask screen are in FERROUS or both are in CONDUCT or whatever your last setting was.

Is there a way to save different settings such as FERROUS in MY PATTERN 1 and CONDUCT in MY PATTERN 2 ETC?
Can all other settings be saved different ways in different PATTERNS?

Thanks,
Kenneth

 

[Goes4ever]

I have different programs saved, but you need to save them under user modes

I have stock coin program with all my settings, gain, deep off, fast on, multi tone...etc....

then for user mode two, I have an open screen (97% open) with ferrous sounds and 2 tones

then for user mode three I have a modified coin program saved with all my settings

if you use USER MODE to save, it saves ALL your settings and not JUST the discrimination screen. It will save your # of tones, gain, varability, pinpoint mode, threshold pitch.....everything it saves it all this way you can quickly toggle back and forth between your programs depending on your site. Some sites I start with my modified coin program and when I get close to the house where the iron is highly concentrated, a couple clicks and I can be in ferrous sounds and creep thru the iron patch, then when I exit the iron I can flip back to my coin program again with conductive sounds.

 

[Digger]

Yep, you can save each one of them in a User Mode. Then it is simply a matter of a few clicks to get the program (with the settings) you want. HH Randy