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Question about depth...
- Thread starter John C.65
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Big Boys Hobbies
Well-known member
They can yes. Many varibles go into this. Ground mostiure, if coin is on edge, and etc..... Listen to sound and not worry so much about what the #'s say!
Andy Sabisch
Active member
One of the factors in the design of the E-Trac was to improve target ID consistency and hence the "12" line difference between the E-Trac and the Explorer . . . . the book covers that aspect.
The CO values will be pretty consistent even at depth . . . the FE number changes as the depth increases which is why as many have found, the factory preset COINS pattern will virtually ensure you miss deep, old coins as the targets that register with higher (or in terms of the screen, towards the bottom) are rejected more so than they should be in order to find the older coins. I've talked to many hunters since the E-Trac was released that were frustrated that they were not finding older coins - plenty of clad, nothing old - and sure enough, they were running in the factory preset mode. Switching to the pattern I have posted and shared with others was like turning on the old coins switch and the results changed immediately.
Look at the CO number and if it looks good, check out the FE number and the depth . . . . deeper will drive the FE lower on teh screen . . . remember, your brain is the best discriminator out there!
As far as listening to tones, depends on which audio option you have selected . . . . FE tones will change on the same target as depth increases . . . .
Hope this helps
Andy Sabisch
The CO values will be pretty consistent even at depth . . . the FE number changes as the depth increases which is why as many have found, the factory preset COINS pattern will virtually ensure you miss deep, old coins as the targets that register with higher (or in terms of the screen, towards the bottom) are rejected more so than they should be in order to find the older coins. I've talked to many hunters since the E-Trac was released that were frustrated that they were not finding older coins - plenty of clad, nothing old - and sure enough, they were running in the factory preset mode. Switching to the pattern I have posted and shared with others was like turning on the old coins switch and the results changed immediately.
Look at the CO number and if it looks good, check out the FE number and the depth . . . . deeper will drive the FE lower on teh screen . . . remember, your brain is the best discriminator out there!
As far as listening to tones, depends on which audio option you have selected . . . . FE tones will change on the same target as depth increases . . . .
Hope this helps
Andy Sabisch
tippyhound
New member
I have dug, silver, copper and clad at depths over 8 inch's. The FE #'s change considerably at depth, not so much on the CO #'s. One thing that will stay the same and that is the sound you receive, so I don't pay a lot of attention to numbers. If the audio is correct I will dig it. Rick IL
I hunt in the coins mode with upper right opened up for large silver and I find hundreds of old deep coins with witnesses present often times.Very deep coins both silver and copper will often show a ferrous number less than 12 and often as low as 1. Same goes for deeper coins on edge.However the conductive numbers are very consistent and the tones/sounds are the dead give away no matter the numbers.
I have dug many deep Indians that have hit at 1-4 ferrous and 30-34 conductive actually over a 100 I would imagine.Also a 11" deep on edge seated quarter at a solid 1 - 46 comes to mind among many others.
I have tried a more open screen with more ferrous areas open and only succeeded in digging a lot more iron/nails.I hunt here in SW MO and Eastern KS and different areas with different soils may be different so best to test for yourself and see what gives you the best results.
All of the above results were while hunting in multi tone conductive with high manual sensitivity and gain at 26 or higher.I have found if you let the E-Trac perform as designed with ample disc you can get amazing results.However if you try to make it an Explorer III you will be disappointed.
I have found that a very open screen gains about 1/2" of depth on a silver dime verses the coin mode in my test garden all other settings being the same.
The best advice I could give any one is to test several different setting combos in both a test garden and the field and find what works best for you.
I have dug many deep Indians that have hit at 1-4 ferrous and 30-34 conductive actually over a 100 I would imagine.Also a 11" deep on edge seated quarter at a solid 1 - 46 comes to mind among many others.
I have tried a more open screen with more ferrous areas open and only succeeded in digging a lot more iron/nails.I hunt here in SW MO and Eastern KS and different areas with different soils may be different so best to test for yourself and see what gives you the best results.
All of the above results were while hunting in multi tone conductive with high manual sensitivity and gain at 26 or higher.I have found if you let the E-Trac perform as designed with ample disc you can get amazing results.However if you try to make it an Explorer III you will be disappointed.
I have found that a very open screen gains about 1/2" of depth on a silver dime verses the coin mode in my test garden all other settings being the same.
The best advice I could give any one is to test several different setting combos in both a test garden and the field and find what works best for you.
maddogusmc
Member
I agree with Ray, I also live in southern Missouri and have tried Andy's pattern on many occasions, but usually end up frustrated from digging the iron/nails, and go back to the coins pattern with upper right open for large silver. I have found a couple of mercs with higher Fe# that I might not have found with the coin mode, but that isn't very often and not worth the trade off to me.
Mike
Mike
Im kinda new with the etrac (april), I dont no why but for some reason I get more depth with andy's progam than standard coin, and seems more accurate on the screen. I was shocked when I made a coin garden and a 8" wheat penny would not hit on every swing useing the coin program and with andy's program it would hit every swing and hard, not a iffy signal like I got from the coin program. Ive been useing andy's program for the last 3 hunts and seems to work fine here, 1st hunt with it I dug 5 wheaties between 8 and 10 inches. Man I sure wish it would rain here, 3/4 of a inch in the last month and a half,its DRY.
Andy,
I do not worry about the numbers or the tone on targets deeper than 6 inches. If it repeats in both directions, and is deep, I dig it. It may be a piece of junk, but it will most likely be old, and old is good in this hobby. I think the mistake many detectorists make is trying to get the exact right sound and numbers before they dig. On the precious Explorers I often dug targets that were quite broken sounds to find good coins. I have noticed that on the E-Trac that if the target sound is broken, I do not get a good coin and is usually a nail or other rusty iron item. The converse is true for shallow targets. I recently dug two Walkers that were fairly shallow and they both read 12-47, which is usually a clad quarter. The E-Trac will do the job of finding the target, but the digging shovel is still the best discriminator.
Bud Kaczor
I do not worry about the numbers or the tone on targets deeper than 6 inches. If it repeats in both directions, and is deep, I dig it. It may be a piece of junk, but it will most likely be old, and old is good in this hobby. I think the mistake many detectorists make is trying to get the exact right sound and numbers before they dig. On the precious Explorers I often dug targets that were quite broken sounds to find good coins. I have noticed that on the E-Trac that if the target sound is broken, I do not get a good coin and is usually a nail or other rusty iron item. The converse is true for shallow targets. I recently dug two Walkers that were fairly shallow and they both read 12-47, which is usually a clad quarter. The E-Trac will do the job of finding the target, but the digging shovel is still the best discriminator.
Bud Kaczor
Great discussion. As a noob with only three weeks on my E-trac, I've been working on my deep coin shooting skills.
I take it that the FE # always goes down as depth increases, but if the FE# increases, then it's almost certain to be large iron?
Some of those ~ 27-45 type signals sure sound good
HH,
Brian
I take it that the FE # always goes down as depth increases, but if the FE# increases, then it's almost certain to be large iron?
Some of those ~ 27-45 type signals sure sound good
HH,
Brian