Question about the Threshold & Nulling

[Anonymous]

Someone said something on the forums recently about threshold & nulling, and now I need to know what's true and what's not.
If a rejected target is near an accepted target, will I not hear the accepted target until the nulling stops?
I've always thought that the nulling would be interrupted by an accepted target tone if one was detected, even while the rejected target was still nearby. This is how the other detectors I've used in the past would work. Of course, if the rejected target was real close, the tones of the accepted targets would be broken up by the nulling, but you'd at least hear <EM>something</EM>.
I've always heard is that you should run in Manual sens, adjusting it as high as possible till the threshold is barely audible. That if you run in Auto it could over-compensate and bring the sens down too low to detect anything deeper than a few inches.
So if what this person was saying is true, that you can't hear an accepted target till the nulling stops, then wouldn't you want to run the Manual sens down low enough to get a very CLEAR threshold? (As opposed to running it as high as possible, to where the threshold is barely audible).
Jeremy

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I will give you a few of my opinions, not that they are worth much.
First, you may <i>think</i> other detectors stop nulling for the target. But if that were the case there wouldn't be any targets left for the explorer. Sure, it may have picked up a shallower target near trash.
The Explorer separates the trash better than any other detector I have used or hunted with. I have made a few 3 letter detector users stomp off mad and never email me again wanting to hunt with me. <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">
Second, a lot of people will diss Auto. Only thing I got to say to them is to follow behind Golddigger one day and find everything he misses. All he uses is Auto. Between me and you and a brick wall, that ain't gonna happen any time soon, I promise! <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">
I switch back and forth between auto and manual. Really deep undecided targets I have switched off of auto to manual and they still are undecided. Sometimes manual makes the nails sound better. I think I was using 17 manual down in the ghetto park the other day though.
Sometimes non-ferrous hits will hit through a null but I promise the deeper stuff won't unless you hit the right angle. Angles are why you find stuff in the same spots you didn't before. You just hit them a little different than when you went over them before.
It kinda halfa$$ed sounded like you were talking about my post on hunting in iron a couple days ago. Solid null will miss some targets, period. If it is breaking up and nulling some going back and forth between a threshold you will find stuff. You will with a solid null also. But you will miss some stuff. We all do anyway or it would have been gone long ago and we would be talking about fishing or something.
One last thing I will say since I am guessing your are newer to the explorer. Everyone at first over does the sens in manual. I found a half dime at 6+ inches at 9 manual sens. I watched Justin dig like 3 in a row 8+ inch deep seated dimes on 12 manual sens. over in Indiana. Too much of a good thing is not always good. <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">
Remember, just my 2 corroded zincs worth and not scientific fact.

 

[Anonymous]

So you run Auto most of the time, and switch to Manual only when you can't completely locate/identify a target? The other thing I noticed is that your Manual sens numbers are pretty low. Does that mean that 22 to 25 is too high for manual in a ghetto park?
I guess I'll start trying Auto sens around 22 to 25.... and Ric, I don't remember who's post I read but I don't think it was yours.
Jeremy

 

[Anonymous]

Not all the time. If I am in an area and auto sens is just too d@mn stable I use manual. If I use Auto it is 30-32. It just depends on my mood really. If I am feeling lazy one day I may use auto all day. If I use manual I use 17 manual about everywhere around here. 20 is usually way noisy. Then I adjust from there. If a place is real nasty I keep lowering it till the threshold just starts to break up a little.
I have used manual exclusively the last couple years. This year I have started using Auto again. Honestly, it just doesn't really matter to me which I use. If I am meant to find it I will. As long as I keep my confidence up I usually do find a goody or 2. I don't hunt in manual and think I am missing stuff and should be in Auto and vice versa. I just go with what seems good at the time. As long as I can keep a threshold most of the time I am good. If not I switch to ferrous with a open screen. But you shouldn't be switching crap around yet till you get a good handle on what your detector is telling you. I know people that switch their settings daily and it just prolongs the learning curve, IMO. Once you have past that, it's a free for all. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">
I honestly think you are high in manual for there. Assuming we are talking about the same ghetto park cause there are 2 big ones. (Actually most you could call ghetto <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">) I am talking about the one that starts with an f. He!!, that is higher than I think I have ever used down there anywhere. We are talking manual of course. There is just so much going on with the cinder paths under the grass and the trash and iron from old buildings and stuff.
If I were to give you any advice at all I would suggest just leaving it in auto for a while and learning signals. Dig those iffy signals. I dig my share of nails in a day. If you are waiting for nice clean, give you wood, kinda hits in those parks you are going to be waiting a while. The majority of coins down there are iffy signals. If it sounds even slightly good dig it. Coins will NOT lock on the screen there. I know a guy that I will not mention names that hunts with his buddy. They both have explorers. B has had his 3 years now and if he finds a wheat all day he jumps up and down. K has had his the same amount of time and takes him to the spots and if he finds less than 5 silvers in a day he is upset. Same spots, only difference is that B only will dig a signal that locks on one spot on the screen and K digs anything that sounds good audibly, even a few nails.
I hope you know, if you start posting seated coins I <b>will</b> get my a$$ beat! <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the info. I've had my XS a little more than 2 years now, and I'm finding a ton of coins... just not enough old ones. So I'm not that new, I just don't have as much time to detect as others seem to have. When I finally do get out each year, I find that I've forgotten most of the tricks. If you don't use it, you lose it. <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
Jeremy

 

[Anonymous]

Oh he!!. Sorry! I just didn't remember seeing you on the forum when I used to post all the time. See what I get for assuming? <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=""> Anyway, I still stand behind what I said. Lower the sens and not worry abut losing depth. If you are sweeping slow enough you will still hear everything. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">

 

[Anonymous]

I HAVE USED MY EXP11 ABOUT 5 HOURS. I HAVE DONE VERY WELL WITH AN OLD SOV.XS2APRO. IV`E BEEN DETECTING FOR ABOUT 3YEARS NOW, HOW LONG IS THE LEARNING CURVE, ALL THESE SOUNDS ARE DIFF. TO ME? MOST SOUND BROKEN UNTIL I FIND A ZINC PENNY.

 

[Anonymous]

I have played with a sov before, but not much. It is a different animal. Just keep hunting and learning. You will get the hang of it. If you have used a sov that long you should learn the ex pretty quick. They ain't the same, but are closer than going from some other brand of detector.