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Question for Doc about the Joey coil

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For quite a while I thought the Joey would be a good coil to have, and I know Jim and Brian Upstate like and use it quite a bit. My question is... why doesn't coiltec build the Joey similar to the Platypus making it waterproof? Of course weight isn't a factor on the Joey but the thing would be crazy light with an open center. I hunt regardless of how wet the weather is and feel much better about a coil that is 100% waterproof. I don't believe the Joey would be ruined by rain, but have heard about falsing problems in very wet conditions. The bottom line is I will not buy a coil that is not waterproof but if the Joey was ever redesigned I would have to try one. So I guess I'm asking...Is the Joey design set in non waterproof stone? <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D">
PS I'm finally over the flu but have taken on a major case of cabin fever. No detecting for 3 months and counting. <img src="/metal/html/frown.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":(">
 
You would think that the Joey coil would be lighter with the cutouts, wouldn't you ?
No so. The way most manufacturers waterproof the windings in a coil is to use epoxy. They pour those channles full of epoxy to accomplish two things.
Number 1 of course is to waterproof the windings. Number 2 is to provide rigidity to the very thin plastic channels used in the open coil design.
Epoxy is dense, and it weighs more.
The Joey coil was designed to be a very light, very agile coil. With it's foot print being only 5 inches wide, it provides for excellent separation in trashy situations. YET, because it is 10 inches from heal to toe, you do not give up much in terms o coverage over the stock coil when you swing.
The Joey coil is water resistant and can be used in the rain. Stories of the JOEY falsing on wet grass are isolated incidences, that are indicative of falty coil, the plug not being securely screwed into the control box, or other factors. It is not a normal feature of the Joey coil to false in wet conditions.
I use mine on the wet beach sand in San Diego during summer vacation and I do not experience the falsing that has been reported from time to time.
So, bottom line, a "all-terrain" Joey coil is not likely because it would be heavy and defeat the original concept of the JOEY.
Thanks!
DOC
 
I should have thought about the extra weight of the epoxy but still can't imagine it weighing too much more. Maybe this year I'll hook up with someone and get to test it out for myself. I guess the bottom line for me is still about finding more. So if it works well, waterpoof or not, I still may buy one.
 
CC, Its pretty darn light as is, I finally solved the falsing in rain/wet problem by siliconing the cable up good where it enters the coil.....
 
Weight was not really a concern, just the waterproof thing and now I guess that isn't a problem either. You have me thinking now whether I would rather try the Platypus or Joey in some of my iron sites. These places are disturbed fields so they aren't near as bad as a cellar hole. Usually the threshold comes in and out.
 
I used the email address at the top of your home page.
Enjoy...
DAS
 
I have used the Joey coil now for 2 years and the only other coil that has been on my Exp ll has been the 7.5" coil. The Stock coil is a 100% Pig and I don't even like the coil. That is why I bought the Platapus from Doc. The Joey doesn't get the depth that the stock coil gets but is great in the trash and the iron and that is what I hunt in anyway. The day I got the Joey I used Waterproof Red RTV and sealed up the coil cover to the coil. I also put the RTV down the coil center, around the bottom of the coil connector where it goes into the coil. I put a very thin coat of RTV in the two holes where the bolt goes thru the coil. So I sealed the coil up as good as I could. To this day it has been in and out of the water at the beachs that I hunt. It gets wet from splashing waves and I just shake it off. It has never once falsed. Mater of fact I dunk it a couple of times to get the dirt and wet salt sand off it before I go to the truck to go home. My Joey has never gave me the first problem and is a great coil. Not to even mention the light weight that the Joey gives to the Exp ll overall weight. I really think you would like the Joey coil CC. I know I do. Coiltech makes a great coil and I sure wish my Platapus coil would hurry up and get here. I am going to The Texas Expo this weekend and then I am going to Jacksonvill Fla. To see my taxman, Kids,and Grandson. Will do some beach hunting over there with my buddy and Grandson. Anyway don't have any doubts about the Joey coil doing what it is supposed to, as it will perform just great. Well back to lurking <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin"> <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin"> Later Jerry aka Tinfoil
 
I hunt a lot, don't say much, am a lurker and don't post much but, I don't own stuff that is crap and don't work. Later Doc and hope you are getting better. I am realy looking forward to that Platapus coil. <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin"> <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin"> , Jerry aka Tinfoil
 
While the joey does great in the high iron, it also hits harder on iron itself, and is much more sensitive to hot rocks... But as long as you know what each sounds like its not a problem.. Just gets a little more noisey than you might be used to with the stock
 
No hot rocks here but I do listen to a whole lotta noise with the stock. Now when you say noisey on iron, are you talking as high a sens. as you can run with the Joey, or the same setting as the stock?
I have never been able to find more with the Minelab 8" over the stock which is why I'm very hesitant to buy other smaller coils.
 
I mean more that it will hit better on more iron than the 10 inch, but it still sounds like iron... Tha being said the more iron accepted the better chance to find good stuff in iron... Now for your statement you never could find more with teh 8 inch than the stock, are you saying you never found anything in sites you hunted with he stock? and if you did how do you know the stock didnt miss it?
there is no doubt in my mind I picked up quite a few things I had to be over with teh stock and somehow missed, and atteh same time most stuff I get with the stock should be in reach of the 8.. So I suppose I could say I could hunt with the 8 inch and not leave too much behind.. But I know I would miss some of teh deeper stuff.. So in my opinion I would rather hunt more with the smaller lighter SR 8 inch or Joey, then hunt it a few times more with the stock and SR 12...
 
I have used the 8" at sites that were getting very quiet and would not find as much as when I would change back to the stock. Until myself or someone proves otherwise I think that stock coil lets enough of a non ferrous target break the threshold there is no advantage to using the 8". I believe the short swings in iron and the fact the coil is a DD make it a bit different than a concentric coil which is just for separation. The Explorer stock seem to power through iron as well as look around it. When I use the 8" all I feel is the lack of depth and nothing gained for separation. Now obviously I'm not totally convinced of this or I would not be looking at the Joey coil. It's just hard to ignore the 6 or 7 times I have tried a smaller coil and found less in iron than going back to the stock.
 
this is older broken halo smaller type iron. My detector chirps and pops because I run it hot, but still is fairly smooth. After about 1850 or 1860 sites seem to become much more of a challenge... and a much much greater challenge if they haven't been plowed. Any place like that I would be a fish outta water for sure. Over 90% of the places I hunt are basically the same.
 
This is true too...
Out of what is likley 100 old sites I have hunted in the past 5 years only one was a cellar hole in the woods. We didn't get much out of it, but what we did get was good. (4 early military buttons) So..... time went by and the two of us decided to go back and really dig the sucker out as we were certain there had to be at least one or two more hiding. Fully equipped we hike to the spot and what do we find... a field! <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> Probably for more cottage lots and sure made the hunt that day a whole lot easier. The sad end to the story is we dug many more buttons then hunt number 1 but didn't get squat. My first hunt I was 4/7 2nd hunt 0/21. That's also a pretty good stat to show how much is missed because things were pretty quiet after our first trip there. (was a very small site)
 
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