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Racer Two Tone VCO Audio
- Thread starter cjc
- Start date
Clive it tells you something is there above iron mostly. You have to watch the TID continuously in 2 tone. It will give you a sense of how deep it is but deep stuff can be hard to hear for me, in 2 tone. There's not much difference in 2 and 3 tone depth wise so 3 tone is way more revealing of what's there really. Myself I hear that solid target sound in 3 vs 2 just being a report. I use pinpoint mostly to size the target myself. If you're hunting deep stuff primarily use all metal and watch the TID. It's deep like that, deeper than most but might not give you a TID as deep as it will alert you to a target. Great machine that once learned is right there with the best of the best imo, CoRe too. Also does a couple of things better than any.
Thanks for your reply, JFlynn. Did an intense hunt with the Racer yesterday and got fooled by big iron a couple of times, for sure the VCO would have sounded off. Likely with some practice this kind of co-relation method would be an asset. True it does a lot of things well--saw good targets coming up with multiple spikes in the hole very impressive. The A/M reminds me of an XLT DC Phase circuit--a handy checker. For sure it's the deepest search mode needs a bit of getting used to though--kind of busy audio.
cjc
cjc
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
I like the two tone better and on a deep target you get a softer sound...
That busy audio you mentioned is the machine seeing stuff most machines will not. I posted a video a few months back and ole man Elton mentioned gosh what all that chatty sound it will drive me crazy. It was the metal in the ground most machines don't see I replied to him. The busy audio is your friend. This is kind of going back to old school detecting listening to it all and making the decision yourself instead of a filter or circuit blocking it out so you supposedly can find the good targets. Well that is blocking more good targets than we really realized evidently while trying to make it comfortable for the end user. I'm sure you'll master it and it will pay off nicely. Jack
Southwind
Well-known member
Well I believe most machines do "see this stuff" but rather don't respond to it. Anyway that has been my experience. I can set the AT Pro for Iron Audio and lower the discrimination and it will sound off on every piece of metal in the ground if that was what I wanted. I do like to hear what is in the ground, but only to a point I feel it's helpful and not a hindrance.
I'm sure, you just answered what is going on with the small debri masking from what I've seen. Probably most machines do see this stuff but while not wanting to sound off on it the machines are taking good targets to the disc circuit side along with the small debri iron they are seeing.
Thanks guys I've learned a ton. Kinda like going from VLF to pulse--or "pop gun to cannon" as I've heard it put. A big part of being a good land hunter is to have a full interest in just what is in the ground--it all has a story to tell about the strata and usages. The Racer's ability to bring up the small conductors is for sure an assett--(pinpointer helps). Key is in learning to distinguish these from deep solid responses and then do an accurate confirming proceedure. Its a fun detector to learn too--brings you back to those all important basics--wide / narrow, solid not solid, tonal quality, how it "carries" to the surface, hearing a good all metal response...--just as with a pulse. These are real, transferrable detector skills that outdo "tweaking" everytime. I asked one of the best hunters I know for a tip. He said: "Get your self a big box of Que Tips and clean all the wax out of your ears--so you can hear the deep ones!" Simple as that...
cjc
cjc
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
I have found on overloads a few if not a lot might not even see that target on other machines...
EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
New member
I put on the OOR coil to try out today and replaced the 5x10" I had on it. I was at factory settings and forgot it was in 2 tone VCO mode. Went along the backside of a fence behind baseball bleachers. This side is an old ball field. I was getting hits and ID numbers so if I did I was digging it all as I have hit this place for quite some time and wanted to see if I missed anything. IF YOU DON"T DIG IT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW!!!! I dug quite a bit of trash mostly foul and bits and pieces af tabs. Numbers were jumpy but if the numbers were consistent it turned out to be a coin. A few hit on the magic number 82.
NOW HERE IS THE INTERESTING POINT I got a few signals that were softer VCO hits but no number came up just the 3 dashed lines on the screen. WELL AFTER A WHILE I DECIDED TO CRANK UP THE SENSITIVITY FROM 70 TO 80 TO SEE IF IT WOULD COME IN BETTER AND I STARTED TO GET READINGS. Then I decided to PINPOINT to see what the depth may be as I had been fooled by foil and thought maybe I could tell if it was if the number was shallow but It read like 10" so now my curiosity was peaked so I had to dig this signal. I GOT A BUFFALO NICKLE YEAH!!!! It was pretty deep too maybe like 6- 8" deep so now I started to wonder about the few other times this had just happened so I decided to put the 5x10" coil on as it's a real treat to sweep with perfectly balanced with the machine and thought it would still separate very well as there weren't very many targets close together here and I figured it would go deeper a bit too and I could retrace my self quicker to find these other spots. This is when I realized I was in 2 tone not 3 tone so I switched to 3 tone and I tried to get used to that but a storm came up..
I was chased out buy the thunderstorm so I will have to go back and redo over again from the start. I was hitting it parallel along with the fence to my right shoulder and then after a couple of fence posts I turned and from 5-6 feet out came at the fence towards my face sweep width by sweep width so was hitting it 90degrees differently from what I was just doing. Always good to come at a spot from different directions to see if coins may be hiding being on edge or masked.
TO BE CONTINUED.
GOD I LOVE THIS HOBBY!!
NOW HERE IS THE INTERESTING POINT I got a few signals that were softer VCO hits but no number came up just the 3 dashed lines on the screen. WELL AFTER A WHILE I DECIDED TO CRANK UP THE SENSITIVITY FROM 70 TO 80 TO SEE IF IT WOULD COME IN BETTER AND I STARTED TO GET READINGS. Then I decided to PINPOINT to see what the depth may be as I had been fooled by foil and thought maybe I could tell if it was if the number was shallow but It read like 10" so now my curiosity was peaked so I had to dig this signal. I GOT A BUFFALO NICKLE YEAH!!!! It was pretty deep too maybe like 6- 8" deep so now I started to wonder about the few other times this had just happened so I decided to put the 5x10" coil on as it's a real treat to sweep with perfectly balanced with the machine and thought it would still separate very well as there weren't very many targets close together here and I figured it would go deeper a bit too and I could retrace my self quicker to find these other spots. This is when I realized I was in 2 tone not 3 tone so I switched to 3 tone and I tried to get used to that but a storm came up..
I was chased out buy the thunderstorm so I will have to go back and redo over again from the start. I was hitting it parallel along with the fence to my right shoulder and then after a couple of fence posts I turned and from 5-6 feet out came at the fence towards my face sweep width by sweep width so was hitting it 90degrees differently from what I was just doing. Always good to come at a spot from different directions to see if coins may be hiding being on edge or masked.
TO BE CONTINUED.
GOD I LOVE THIS HOBBY!!
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
Two tone will give the deep targets a softer sound and I like the high tone VS the mid tone..I only hunt it two tone
I can't offer a lot of advice on the two-tone mode as I've found for my style of hunting I prefer 3-tone audio. The Racer has certainly opened up some of my "hunted out" sites, sites that would only produce a sole indian head or green wheatie per hunt, no silver for years with other top of the line machines, have produced a lot of keepers, including silver coins, with the Racer using both the 11" DD and the 5" (more so with the 5"). It hasn't made all of my sites come to life, but it there's nothing there, there's nothing there, nothing you can do about that. It has the uncannay ability to pull non-ferrous targets out of areas littered with small iron that foil other high end detectors. The "minelab wiggle" like you do with a Sovereign or Explorer to zero in on a good target in the midst of iron works very well on this detector
Unfortunately a lot of my sites shut down in the summer as the grasses get tall, the ground turns to cement and the rattlers come out to play, so I only got a few months on my machine before the sites shut down, but I suspect this fall and winter some of my favorite, hard hit old sites are going to really open up to the Racer, I really cannot wait for the first rain and temps to drop this fall
I will say, and Clive you already know this I'm sure, it'll take some time to really form an opinion on the Racer. I'm only on my second set of batteries, so I only have about 60 hours of hunt time on it, and I've learned a lot about it already, but suspect that it'll take a good 100 hours of time on the machine to fully understand it.
Happy hunting,
Brian
Unfortunately a lot of my sites shut down in the summer as the grasses get tall, the ground turns to cement and the rattlers come out to play, so I only got a few months on my machine before the sites shut down, but I suspect this fall and winter some of my favorite, hard hit old sites are going to really open up to the Racer, I really cannot wait for the first rain and temps to drop this fall
I will say, and Clive you already know this I'm sure, it'll take some time to really form an opinion on the Racer. I'm only on my second set of batteries, so I only have about 60 hours of hunt time on it, and I've learned a lot about it already, but suspect that it'll take a good 100 hours of time on the machine to fully understand it.
Happy hunting,
Brian
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
The batteries life are crazy insane
EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
New member
I think I may prefer 2 tone to hunt what I started today but use 3 tone in a larger area when FIRST going over it listening for the good high tones then going back to 2 tone and re-hitting that spot and maybe at a different angle to see if you missed anything.
Here I was listening for any sound other than clicks or pops so in 2 tone it was easier to focus on the VCO sound. I know
I read on here about hearing sound but getting no ID no and the same with other detectors but I haven't really experienced it much till today when I noticed the 3 dashes on the screen but getting a good short VCO or zipping sound on the deep target and the same the other day at another small park nearby. I will have to go back to that other park also with this machine to see if I get hits with no ID no. then by turning up the sensitivity to 80-85 helped bring them in and pinpointing then re-sweeping over that spot brought in an ID no.
Tom
Here I was listening for any sound other than clicks or pops so in 2 tone it was easier to focus on the VCO sound. I know
I read on here about hearing sound but getting no ID no and the same with other detectors but I haven't really experienced it much till today when I noticed the 3 dashes on the screen but getting a good short VCO or zipping sound on the deep target and the same the other day at another small park nearby. I will have to go back to that other park also with this machine to see if I get hits with no ID no. then by turning up the sensitivity to 80-85 helped bring them in and pinpointing then re-sweeping over that spot brought in an ID no.
Tom