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Reg, a question on noise...

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In a number of your posts you use the "term or terms" noise or noise related phrases. I am a ham operator and lived in a city that is surrounded by mountains, Chattanooga, TN. I put up a 80 foot tower with a 32 foot 6 element beam for transmitting and receiving years ago. I had, 350 days of the year, an extreme amount of noise that would prohibit me from hearing weak signals from foreign countries. I had a buddy with the same antenna that lived out in the country and he never had much static noise and made and heard many more contacts than I did because he could hear them. The static noise was noise from cars, industrial plants, Televisions, radio towers, telephone and electrical lines...etc. What I am getting to is you have made referance to noise heard from different coils you have made and tried and you were trying them out in the country...What is causing your noise you are refering to? It is ground related or air signals related, RF???? It is also that you are stating that if some more types of filtering were installed in PI's then less interfering signals would be received? What I hear you saying is much like I experienced in Ham....lower level of static noise the more sensitive the hearing of the signals received and in this case the smaller more difficult targets can be found....Would you in a language that a non-tect person, like myself could understand, please discuss this subject... Thank you, Frank
 
Hi Frank,
Sorry for taking so long to answer you but I have been down in AZ looking for gold nuggets.
Now, I will try to answer your question about the noise I have referred to. First, there is the problem of internal noise. This can be from several sources including the preamp. Normally, the gain isn't high enough for the preamp noise to be a major concern but it does enter the picture when increasing the sensitivity or developing a ground balance circuitry using a later sample and subtraction.
Next, comes the problem of external noise. It is difficult to determine where this noise is coming from but it is there. One strange thing my brother-in-law ran into was the intensity of the noise he noticed when he used his cell phone while he had his detector on. When he used his cell phone, he experienced a very loud and strange warble.
My guess is most of the external noise is from high frequency sources within a nominal distance from the detector. In the field, this could be from transmitting towers nearby or possibly from other devices producing high frequency noises.
One thing about noise that cropped up on my most recent trip to AZ was the lack of low frequency noise I encountered. I joined several other people on an outing and before we left for our destination, I tried to show the two nuggets I had found the day before. Well, I managed to drop the smaller one almost under some power lines.
Anyways, I got my detector out and quickly found the nugget again. BTW, I was really surprised at the small size of this nugget. When I got back home I weighed the nugget using a powder scale and it came in at just over 1 grain. I would have never believed the PI would find something that small, but it did. I suspect the ability of the PI to detect this small of a nugget was because of both the shape and the purity of the nugget itself, as well as the short delay I was using.
Getting back to the noise situation, I found I had almost no noise as the result of the nearby power lines, indicating that low frequency noise isn't the problem. Rather, noise problems appear to be more of a function of much higher frequency origon. In fact, I could operate right under the power lines at the location where I dropped the nugget and other locations without any negative results.
I would like to point out that while I was out in the field, away from most typical noise sources such as those found in town such as computers, TV's, etc, I encountered almost no noise problems at all. In fact, the noise problem became almost a non-issue, except for a very slight noise level because of my increased sensitivity.
I know I haven't really answered your question specifically, but this is the best I can do at this time. The noises I experience during my testing at home and close to houses and associated noise sources is nothing like I have experienced in the field. Again, in the field, away from civilization, the noise problem is almost eliminated. At least, it is on my detector. At home, the noise level varies from day to day and even minute to minute.
Reg
 
Sorry to hear of your injury...You need to go back to work since work injuries seem never to happen and at home or play we kill ourselves.. this coming from a retired person (smile).
There is no way of telling were these stray signals come from...Sat. sending out all kinds of signals for the govt., industry and such...years ago the "Russian Woodpecker" drove us hams crazy...I am going to keep a close eye on the setting of my GQ to watch for different levels that are needed to overcome the base threshold level if noise is present and not present...Apprecaite your return and am impressed with your weekends finds....Thanks again, Frank
 
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