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Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!

Onus,

Nice to hear that your machine is starting to make sense. It can be really frustrating when you can't understand what your machine is saying.

I'm starting to believe that, if anything, this machine is too sensitive. I am finding the smallest pieces of non-ferrous metal ever and digging more holes than ever. Yesterday I went out into a local alfalfa field that has produced some good relics in the past and ended up using the WOT coil for most of the dig. Larger pieces of iron sounded just like bullets and, as always, bent nails did as well. I finally turned the sensitivity down to 12/13, got rid of the extra signals but still kept getting good tones off bad targets. The alfalfa was very wet, and my coil (and my boots) was constantly dripping water. The ground was damp but not too damp so the signals should have been cleaner. Everybody in the group (2 MXTs, 1 F75, 1 XLT) ended up saying the same thing, bad targets sounded great.

Dragging the 15" WOT through 8 inch alfalfa was like using an ancient scythe! By the end of the day my shoulder was throbbing and my right arm was four inches longer than my left. I netted one, count em one, gimlet handle and called it a day.

TomH
 
Hey Onus glad to read that the language barrier is finally being broken down. Now you should be able to get in some real detecting. Good Luck and Happy Hunting. Ron
 
Tinfoil,

I have been trying to get used to balancing the machine with manual sensitivity settings. I have seen it expressed in several threads that manual settings get better depth than auto so I have been playing with that. I did go back to Auto for a while and it got better but I was really looking to get used to the Manual settings so I went back after a short time.

I don't know what you are suggesting I set to "Fast". Am I missing something?

Using ferrous tones, modified Relic mode with -10 to -7 and +40 notched out.

I have seen several examples where a curved rusted iron nail will produce a near perfect bullet tone with a 32/33 reading but yesterday seemed much worse than normal.

Thanks,
TomH
 
Relic Ferrious -10 to-7 and 40 notched out is Great. I have a 9.5" dime on edge. A very hard target to hit with alot of machines. If I run auto in any of my modes I can hit that dime nice and clean with a high tone with depth to spare. Auto is the same as running 16 manual but, the audio is much smoother and the tones are crisper and not ragged and handles the trash and iron better since you are in high trash density. The tone really stands out in the ferrious modes. You do have a ferrious and a conduct mode in each of your 4 modes don't you?????? That makes a total of 8 different modes. You can modify any of those cross saved (4) modes by notching out any numbers you want and saving them. It is real nice when you can switch between Conduct and ferrious in the same mode with just a push of a button in the same mode. 8 different modes with a push of a button. None of the explorers will do that You have to Cross save to each Mode to get that function though. I don't run manual very much anymore with the Safari or SE. I tried it many times on the Safari and on deep targets and I don't seem to get much more depth if any. The tones are not as good when I am running the higher manual sensitivity either. I get a whole lot more falsing on the iron targets that makes them sound like a good target when they are iron. In auto I can pull good targets out of the trash and iron better. Like when I run my Se in simi auto 26. I have run my SE everyway I can run it and I can't get my deep dime to hit it with as stable of a number and a cripness like I can with my Safari. I have had all the explorers except the E-Track. I just like the Safari. It is just as fast as my SE. Hope this helped a little. I was thinking SE when I should have been thinking Safari. That is just old age setting in :rofl: You know, CRS a lot of the time. Hope this helps. HH Later, jerry aka Tinfoil
 
Jerry,

Thanks for the info, it really helps.

I use the ferrous tones because I prefer the lower tones for iron objects. I rarely use the TID except to verify what I am hearing so there is less confusion when the iron objects have unique tones instead of duplicating some of the higher tones.

So, is it your contention that the Auto mode will not appreciably reduce depth? Because of the fact that most of the locations that I hunt have been vaccuumed over heavily since the beginning of time (if you accept the beginning of time being 1 AM - Ante Metrotech) depth is an issue, but I am mostly looking for relics, not coins, so my potential targets are geneally larger than coins. One of my few complaints with the Safari is the fact that the display does not tell you the setting that the Auto mode has chosen for that particular ground. I would love to see what the machine feels is optimal, then tweak it up a notch or two for giggles. Another factor is that I usually find myself in heavily mineralized soil and was under the impression, hopefully false, that the mineralization would force the machine to run a conservative auto sens, therefore costing me targets. Is that not the case?

Again, thanks for the info. We are gearing up for an October three-day hunt in VA, in what is generally called the "World's worst soil" so any little tweaks that would help with machine performance is greatly appreciated.

Tom Henrique
 
Hi ONUS, I'll let you know about my limited experience with my Safari - had it about 5 weeks now and spent about 25 hrs. in the field with it so far - my total time in the field with all types of detectors is only about 50 hrs. total. I've also Read Andy's Quattro book a few times and I plan on reading over and over till it all finally sinks in !

I'm the new guy here - just letting you know my experiences with my new Safari. I'm getting the same numbers on coins and have dug the same trash items that showed up as good numbers as - "TheFog" - posted above. If I didn't know any better I would have thought that his posting came out of my note book ! I believe that the Safari is a fantastic detector - I completely understood before I ordered the Safari - that I was in for a long learning curve. The first two weeks I had the Safari I dug enough large iron to build my own U-Boat ! Now I make sure I cross the target from two or three different directions - and I only dig the repeaters ( a GREAT tip that I got from this forum ) if they don't stay on the number when I cross them - I just don't dig. I'm lucky because I have six Civil War era foundations on or near our farm and I can go back and try different search modes any time I want. I'm using Andy's "Cherry Picking" coin program right now ( 14 / 15 ) and (32-33-34-35-36-37-38 ) . I know I'm missing some good stuff but I did get three large cents last ten days - ( 1846 / 1848 / 1849 ) - all three of these came in as solid 38's from all directions. Also from what I've read so far - I think I'm going to try cross saving and running in Ferrous soon. I just wanted to let you know that I think we're all in the same boat and from what I've read so far in the Explorer and E-Trac forums ... so are they !

Again, many thanks to all of the member's of this forum for your great posting's, photo's and video's - keep them coming !
Good Hunting ! - Mark
 
I use the same cherry picking settings Mark, I find these settings optimal for me as I primarily hope to find buttons, buckles, coins etc, and those settings cover all of it. I especially like the safari for pulling nickels, which almost always ring at 14. I keep my sensitivity at 15. If the area isn't trashy at all I will go to 18 but you get much more chatting at 18. I know it's redundant to say because I've said it before, but if the signal and #'s aren't steady I don't dig... UNLESS there are very few targets in the area, and when this is the case those unsteady fleeting signals I've dug are almost ALWAYS garbagio. The machine will emit fleeting chirps/beeps on almost every swing folks, but thats just because it's so sensitive. When I get a quick chirp I swing over it again briefly, if it's not a good repeater with a consistent tone and ID# move on. there's no mistaking a good signal, the trick for me was to learn what to ignore. I found this machine very frustrating to use in the auto mode and have never used it again. HH.
 
Hey fog, I run on ferrous cross saved onto the coin icon with 40 discriminated out. Rusted iron might sing out like a silver coin, but look at the numbers. It will sound good but be showing something like -7 to 13 and then you know it's a false silver signal. Works 90% of the time for me. Onus
 
I can only say if you are sure that your settings are correct,basic factory settings are so easy,then your land must be trashy...otherwise you can be sure if the safari says there is something there then there is no doubt about it.I had a similar problem....but got to know the machine and realise now that the signals are to do with the settings you have too as well as the land you are on.That said,there is a patch of field where iI constantly hit 40 and ive dug a few holes and found nothing...but the sygnals remain...im convinced there is something there..I shall revisit...the same field has given up medieval pewter spoons which were 40 so I know the safari is to be trusted.
Has to be something you are doing wrong.Otherwise I think you are from a competitive company to minelab out to discredit the safari.Maybe.Maybe not.
 
Onus, just a thought from an Xterra user, if I may. Is it just possible that there is a ton more trash in the areas you said couldn't have that much in them?

I'm sure you have been asked before but it seems a worthwile question.

I'm resonably new to detecting and am considering another machine to compliment the one I have. This post kinda makes me wonder about the Safari. I will follow it a bit to see how this works out.

Good Luck
Jeff
 
Jeff read and you will find few of us fault the Safari, Onus may have gotten a lemon...
 
Minelab todl me they couldn't find a problem with my Safari, but when I got it back it seemed quieter and I started finding "stuff". Makes me wonder? Onus
 
I sent my safari back, the people at minelab were great, couldn't find anything wrong but said they couldn't duplicate the weather here. They replaced the coil which they said may had gotten moisture in it somehow. The machine works great now. If I were you and had not tried it yet I would discriminate all numbers except 38 in coin mode and see what happens. You should not get any noise except silver or clad. Shorty
 
I am finding "stuff" now. I appreciate all the advice, both good and bad!:rolleyes: I think we can close this thread now. Whatever the problem was seems to be fixed now. Still can't figure if it was the machine or me? Maybe a little of both! This thread can be retired as far as I am concerned. Onus
 
I agree with ngrelic, and i'm glad you and your machine are talking the same language. I expect to see photo's of the finds soon.
 
Did you ever get that safari figured out. I have had one for 4 or so years and I'm just not impressed. I have read the book. Watched you tube and spent many hours in the field and have experimented with many settings and several different coils. This thing can find pennys all day long. It will get silver dime down to about 4 inch reliably. A dime a 6 inch is iffy at best. The number readout is nearly useless. The tones are great but it prosess targets so slow it's painfull. Just to give you a little background I have been detecting since I was 15. I'm now 55
 
mikemachinest said:
Did you ever get that safari figured out. I have had one for 4 or so years and I'm just not impressed. I have read the book. Watched you tube and spent many hours in the field and have experimented with many settings and several different coils. This thing can find pennys all day long. It will get silver dime down to about 4 inch reliably. A dime a 6 inch is iffy at best. The number readout is nearly useless. The tones are great but it prosess targets so slow it's painfull. Just to give you a little background I have been detecting since I was 15. I'm now 55
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Do you have it on a high trash or low trash setting? Also what discrimination do you usually have? In high trash and little to no discrim; which is what I have most of the time, it's pretty fast processing targets. Just wondering.
 
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