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[size=large]Back in the 80's, I bought a kit for this detector! Yesterday I found it buried in my stuff. It has been around the world twice! Do you think I have procrastinated long enough? Anyone know about them? To my surprise I found it listed on gOOgle.[/size]

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Hi there!......The original Sandbanks eh!.... Now we're showing our age.

I still have the first object I ever found with this PI. Memories come flooding back as I recall my patient endeavours with this DIY project.
Then came Eric's 'Sandpiper.'....a very functional little wobbly plastic shafted unit....but it did the business.

Now it seems that PI in its many forms is back in vogue, and being discovered again by the 3rd generation of detectorists.

Now the modern designer applies the newer technology of micro-processors to enhance its functionalities, but the truth is that the basic fundamentals are still relevant.

Its re-birth is due to the willingness of designers/manufacturers to apply a more sophisticated analytical engine, and change from mono loop to a Balanced induction loop.

Add to that the 'Candy' mathematical algorithms, and you have the 'appliance of science' versions found in the Minelab Explorer series.

Time marches on, but the hands on the clock still go 'round in circles', as does the PI principle. The only changes are, that newer clocks are 'quartz' controlled.

Even so.....it's time we supplemented our batteries with solar power, and also recorded our full days detecting on a 4 Gig. stick, with SAT nav.logging.

So come on Eric, Give this lethargic breed of detector designers a prod up the proverbial back-side, and drag them into the 21st century.

WE HAVE BEEN PROBING THE SURFACE OF PLANETS for over a decade or more....yet designers find it difficult to apply such knowledge to our hobby.

I DON'T WANT A MACHINE THAT TELLS ME IF IT'S a dollar or a dime, just tell me what the ground conditions are within the first 12 inches of soil.

In basic terms, THE SOIL'S CONDUCTIVITY FACTOR, and THE MAGNETIC SUSCEPTIBILITY.

Then let the detectorist learn to relate those effects to the depth, the size and metal recovered.

The two factors mentioned would be expressed in RELATIVE terms, compared to an industry/hobby standard.

Enough of that.........Let me ask a question of ERIC, and his published graph relating to his experimental Magnetic Viscosity Meter.

Examining the graph, in the hope of maybe answering queries from other readers, left me unable to draw any meaningful conclusions.

You showed a plot of MVM readings against sample delayed times.

The 'law of the curve' implies a relationship of some K factor who's amplitude decayed with time.

In more graphical terms, v =V*1/time. It is not of the usual exponential decay form, but rather 'v' being proportional to the inverse of the sample delay time.

One cannot comment further without knowledge of the circuitry involved and the test parameters applied.

Obviously, one cannot approach closer than within 10 micro seconds if you are using your usual design methodology.

I think you should have at least shown two more graphs.

Firstly, the output in the absence of a sample, then secondly, a second rock source typically from the UK.

Also, some quantification of each sample, by presently used methods.

Eric, what exactly do you think your MVM will reveal that is new to the science?

Whatever the outcome, I wish you success, and if it proves to be a more economical as well as simpler tool for evaluating soils/rocks then "Well done"..

Best regards...........MattR.UK.
 
I have the kit, minus the coil. Being old school USAF electronic trained and four steps smarter then a rock. I figure I could build a coil in the concentric form or Burn one from clad.

I have the PCB, and all included parts. I have a pile of newer parts that became available later such as 9555, and better transistors. I think I will give it a go.

I want to try it out were I pan for gold.

Yep! I don't much need the false reading from a computer. I would rather hear what is down there. God I must be getting old. With my old Garrett, I could tell if it was a nail, chain or coin setting on end by the sound. When your out in the places I go your better to dig it all. Meteorite, Gold, and Keen junk.

It's actually a small package. Batteries are a bit on the heavy side but with the replacements of some of the parts , I can bring the current down quite a bit. I need to do some research on the capacitors to see if I can find some faster and less leaky! I understand you need to get the Coil to relax as fast as possible.. Set up for he receive mode. I don't wish to go with the 2 coil mode TX / RX Coils. I know it's faster and easier to switch for receive that way, but I think it just complicates things.



With the use of a O scope, I should be able to get the sample time down to the wire.
 
"I still have the first object I ever found with this PI. Memories come flooding back as I recall my patient endeavours with this DIY project.
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I still have all of the Original Magazine articles, Clippings of the Updates and Not! Do you have any suggestions or updates I would find beneficial before putting the critter together?

It seems the scraps of paper I have carried from the U.K. to the USA to Greece and Back have some updates and a bit more info then the article sited above. HAAAAAAA!

Most appreciated! Jim
 
Hi Matt,

I have lots of graphs plotted with the MVM both of soils, rocks, and metallic targets. Gradually these will be written up as reports and posted. If I had put more graphs on the data sheet, say for Australian Ironstone or for an English housebrick, you would not have been able to tell the difference between them and the Tiva Canyon Tuff. Metallic targets vary a lot of course, but the prime purpose of the MVM is to investigate magnetic viscosity in soils and rocks using a variety of sensors. Last week it was tested extensively on a prehistoric site in Fargo and the results are being evaluated right now. In the absence of a sample, the graph would be a flat line of zeros. Watch for further posts.

By the way, talking of probing the surface of planets, I am glad the Phoenix landed safely on Mars, as it has my name on it (along with 1000's of others on a DVD). Maybe one of my backside prodding, ground balancing and iron discriminating PI detectors, or the MVM, will be used on the red planet before long.

Eric.
 
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