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SEFcoil cord - too fat I'm a bit miffed :veryangry:

Jaichim24

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Ok, I'm a tad disgruntled with two new SEF coils I just purchased and I'm wondering if it is something everyone experiences, or if perhaps the latest batch Kellyco received in was slightly out of spec. To start I've owned and loved detecting with my 12X15 SEF coil for the past year. Because I had so much success with it, I decided to treat myself for my birthday and order the 6X8 and the 10X12. There are a couple sites I felt would benefit with the use of the smaller coils.

Everything was fine until I had to send my X-1 probe back to be repaired this week. As you may or may not know, owning an X-1 allows you to wrap your coil cord around the shaft of your detector rather than feeding it up through the shaft. I have grown quite accustomed to the quick coil change over. So Monday night the kid is in bed early and I get the green light from the wife to hit a local silver mine for a couple hours. Great! I had only tried the 10X12 out once in a new location that had hot rocks. (either that or there was something wrong with the coil, because every swing brought that ugly hot rock signal.) I was a bit concerned that perhaps I had received a bad coil so I wanted to test it out in a familiar site where I knew there were no hot rocks. Fine, except when I went to run the cord up the lower shaft, try as I might I could not feed it up. I tried twisting so the cord spiral was tight, nope still too fat. I tried twisting so it was loose, nope still too fat. I tried pulling the coils out a bunch (and I cringed doing it) still no dice. 20 minutes into it I'm screaming on the inside as the light is starting to fade. I eventually grabbed my hands free ear piece, tied the jack end to the end of the coil wire, and was able to pull it up through the lower shaft. I then again had to repeat that same procedure to feed the coil through the upper shaft. What a pain in the arse. I wasted close to 30 minutesdicking around with this.

Luckily my anger was curbed by a silver rosie and a nice old sterling silver ring. So the coil works great but I 'm not impressed with the thickness of its cord.

All of your SEF users that don't use X-1 probes, is this normal? Do you basically have to tie a string to the end of the cord to get it up the shaft? Fine if that's the SOP for the SEF coils, though I lent my 12X15 (which is a year old) to a friend without an X-1 and while he said it was tricky, it was not impossible to feed the coil up the shaft. I'm wonderig if I should report it to Kellyco, perhaps the latest batch had out of spec cords?

Also, the cord is so thick, big, and long, that I cannot collapse the shaft at all. I drive a nice 39MPG Honda Civic coup, and I need to collapse the shaft to fit the detector in the trunk. I COULD NOT DO THIS with the 10X12 with the cord on the inside. WTF. I ended up having to open up the camlock and just pull the lower shaft away from the upper shaft and basically fold the detector in half to fit it in the trunk. Really not the best thing to do to the cord IMO.

Anyway, today I took the 6X8 out for a test spin, and started right off with the hands free wire to assist me in threading it through the lower and upper shaft. I was done in under 10 minutes, I guess knowing how is half the battle, GO JOE! I still ran into the issue where I could not collapse the shaft at all, luckily the 6X8 is small enough and I could fit it in my trunk. Still pretty ridiculous all in all. I hope I didn't bust my hands free ear piece!!

I can't wait to get the X-1 back so I can avoid all this foolishness. In the morning I'm going to compare the cord on the 12X15 to that of the ones I just received. I'll let you know if there are any major differences.

/rant

Thanks for the feedback.

Jai
 
Humm i never had that problem... nor is my coil noncolapsable. I think mine came with a rather large string that i feed thru first. Took me a couple min.

Dew
 
My first Explorer back years ago was like that. I took the laces out of my shoe to pull the coil wire thru the middle shaft and lower rod the first time.lol I kept a piece of thin wire in my car to change coils after that. I had the stock coil and the 8in. Neither coil wire on both would feed thru the middle rod. My other Explorer and E-Trac I've had no trouble. This might sound silly but have you thought about putting a little WD-40 on the coil wire to reduce the friction. You could just spray a little on a paper towel and wipe the outside of the coils of the cable. I don't think it would hurt the cable. Minelab might have better advice on your problem though.
 
Don't use WD-40. Use Silicone spray available at an automotive store. WD has petroleum in it and, depending on the composition of the outer cord, could damage it.
My used 12X15 slides up the inside of the shaft with no problem. I even have mine inside the shaft and cut a hole for it to exit out of the shaft right near the X-1 connector. However, with my new 6X8 I experience the same problem you do. What I had to do that was more critical was take a Dremel to the lower shaft where the cord goes into the bottom of that shaft and cut some of it away. On mine the extreme angle the strain relief had to have on it, almost a 90 degree bend, for it to get inside the shaft was a problem waiting to happen. Bend, bend, bend, and break a wire inside the strain relief. Then, start over.
I think you'll find the diameter of the coiled cord greater than on the old one. The wire itself might be the same but the turned coils have to be larger. Jim
 
I experienced this with mine, but apparently had an easier time of getting it through the shaft. The part that bugs me is the collapsing. But my work around is to just pull the little bit of coil wire at the bottom out so it collapses all the way.
 
Well, I'm just not motivated to take pictures, but the "pig tail" portion of the coils I just got is greater in diameter than those on my year old 12X15 coil. A good way to visualize is the old coil cord was about the diameter of a dime, and the new coil cord is the diameter of a nickel. Try slipping a nickel down your a lower or upper shaft and see what I was going through.

I was just able to take the cord from my 12X15, slip it up the lower shaft, turn the shaft upside down and the coil fell out the top. NO CHANCE that will happen with my new coils. The only way to get them up the shaft is to pull the coil so that the "pig tail" portion stretches.

There are 10 curls in the old and new pig tail sections of the cord, and they are physically the same lengths. It appears just to be thicker wound curls that are out of spec. A bit disappointing.

It sounds like others are receiving these slightly out of spec coils. While it is still physically possible to get them through the shaft, I'm concerned about the additional wear and tear this causes on the cord. Also, I too pulled the cord down near the lower shaft to try and make it so the shaft would collapse. Pulling so close to where the coil inserts into the loop also seems a bit risky to me.

All in all, once I get my X-1 back, this will not be an issue for me, but just the same I think I'll report it to Kellyco. I can't imagine those non-X-1 users being very happy.

Thanks all for your responses and suggestions.

Jai
 
sorry to hear the problem but i have one of the first out 10x12 and i've always had to twist the little rascal to get it to go thru the shaft.i suppose when sales go down from enough complaints,maybe the manufacturer will do something about it.they should be willing to fix the one's that are messed up.anyone else out there with this problem start screaming..pay so much money and just buying trouble....maybe next time i'll try the string trick..luck to everyone---------------------:minelab:
 
let us know the end result on this issue.
 
and they are trying to understand (it is 11:30PM over there) the problem. It will be remedied for future coils. so please bear with us.

JW

I do have a question, are the cables any problem when being used with the x1 probe, compared to the factory cables?
 
No, if you are using an X-1 probe, then you wrap the coils around the outside of your shaft and connect it to a small box on the outside of the shaft. You never have to feed the cord up the shaft.
 
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