So just what does 'deep silver' sound like?

[DirtFlipper]

Whisper? Iffy? Broken up? Barely audible? Just a nudge on the threshold?

So far I've been getting decent signals down to 6-8 inches. I mean, sounds that aren't so hard to miss and that register on the Smart screen. But that's still pulling Mercs and Roosies. Some of the locations should have Barbers at least (well, more of them than I've found so far anyway). Same for the Indians too I suppose.

What's that next layer down come through as sound wise on an Explorer? Anyone happen to have a video or recording they can point to that would be a good example of silver coming from the depths? (I don't think a 'test garden' variety would quite do it justice). Is the Smart screen still registering much at depth, or is it all tone at that point?

Inquiring minds...

HH,
DirtFlipper

 

[bday]

DirtFlipper,
What I noticed the other day was deeper silver was giving me a semi-broken tone and the cursor was showing the crosshairs almost buried at the top of the screen. Anywhere at the top of the screen. I then would, slow way down and hit that signal from every angle possible. The tone would improve from broken to either a whisper or a solid slightly soft sound, but the crosshairs would then dance from the upper right to the left near my iron mask setting, staying near the top of the screen. Normally in the past I would have walked over these and would have written them off as iron. I also noticed that if I changed my iron mask settings (normally at 22) one direction or the other, the cursor would always bounce to that boundry but not cross it if it was a good target. I think that the key for me is if I hear a high pitched chirp, slow way down and try and make that signal sound good, if you can't walk on by, if it improves a little dig it.
Bob

 

[Hotcz70]

HAMMERED the nail on the head...and I mean HAMMERED it....at least with what MY PERSONAL OPINION is when looking for deepies.


If I may quote Bob....."What I noticed the other day was deeper silver was giving me a semi-broken tone and the cursor was showing the crosshairs almost buried at the top of the screen. Anywhere at the top of the screen"

"I then would, slow way down and hit that signal from every angle possible. The tone would improve from broken to either a whisper or a solid slightly soft sound, but the crosshairs would then dance from the upper right to the left near my iron mask setting, staying near the top of the screen".

"I think that the key for me is if I hear a high pitched chirp, slow way down and try and make that signal sound good, if you can't walk on by, if it improves a little dig it."

 

[Gold Nuggets]

That written description of what silver deepies sound like on the
SE really hit home for me too, An excellent job bday.
Gold Nuggets

 

[silverfix]

I want to thank you again because not everyone gets the chance to hunt with you. The ones that do though always seem to become more in tune with their machine.
Thank you too bday for what you posted. It makes perfect sense to me. I might not find a whole lot but I am definitely better at digging deeper signals.
Sounds though like you have really gotten to know your detector and what is is saying to you.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Dirt-flipper, you were right to ask if anyone has a video or audio to answer this question. Because as you can imagine, there is no printed text that can describe a "sound". I see a lot of people ask this question on forum ("what do deep coins sound like?"), and I have to chuckle. Because that's like asking "Please describe the sound of D minor in printed text". Doh! It can't be done. It has to be heard. No amount of printed text can describe sounds.

Here's a video a friend and I made, which was strictly for another purpose (to compare a TDI to an explorer). So although that part has nothing to do with your question, yet there is some recorded video and audio of sweeps over some targets I had flagged, at a school where I knew that deeper coins tended to be silver or wheaties (ie.: typical stratified turf at an older school).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jl_5J3ioBk

The target I first flagged with my explorer, for purposes of the field test, turned out to be an antique lighter at 9 or 10" (the full length of the probe +). It was one of those old nickel-plated copper ones, that .. you will see when it came out of the ground, read up nicely in the coin range. So it was a high conductive coin "woulda-coulda", that would still answer the question. Listen at 3:00, where it is scanned in ferrous mode. Then at 8:15 it is scanned in conductive mode (with the iron 1/3 of the screen blacked out). In each case, in my opinion, this is the sound of a deeper high conductive coin. They can get even smaller and flutier for that of course, as that was more of a "gimmee" for purposes of getting an immistakable deeper coin sound for the video.

Also at 11:05 there is what turned out to be only a clad dime at about 5 or 6". But that sound was nearing the "tooty fluty" boundrie, so I chased it.

 

[DirtFlipper]

Thanks for all the responses so far - they've been great!

I've been getting those types of signals, and pursuing them, but they so far just haven't led to super deep targets. Still in the 6-8 inch range I'd say. But the somewhat broken tone, cursor flutter along the top - check.

Tom - yup, that's why I asked about a vid or audio. I'd actually seen that particular video before, and it's definitely helpful to the discussion as a reference point. I would consider those audio responses still fairly strong.

So the question is, for something like a Seated or Barber dime down 8-10 inches, are the responses still that strong? Or is there something else to listen/watch for?

This is way too much fun...

HH,
DirtFlipper

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Once again, that question (a smaller item, like a dime, at 9") would take a video/audio to answer. Yes, the lighter in my video (even though it was old and 9" or so deep) was an easier target. Has anyone made a video for *just* the purpose of example sounds of deep high-conductor coins in undisturbed (ie.: like turf hunting) soils? If so, that would make for an interesting audio study. Because once you've heard it, the "lights go on", and you'll have that memorized.

When I first got the Explorer, everything sounded the same and I hated it. It wasn't till a long-time user, who could effortlessly pull 8"+ silver and wheaties from a particular park we were working showed me a few flagged signals (and likewise, showed me shallow signals that he'd pass, etc...) that the "lights went on". Once I heard it for myself, saw the way he wiggled over it to isolate it, heard through his headphones what he was trying to hone in on, then the recipe was imbedded in my brain. I'd like to see someone do a video with just those type signals, and showing the resultant measurement while the coin is still stuck to the bottom of the hole

 

[Hotcz70]

trying to answer this ..."So the question is, for something like a Seated or Barber dime down 8-10 inches, are the responses still that strong? Or is there something else to listen/watch for?

For me personally...no...the response is not that strong...and can sound any number of ways that still make me want to investigate it.

One variable that can greatly affect the signal you hear is the gain. I run my gain at 10...so the signal or warble I personally hear with gain at 10 will be completely different than what someone else would hear with it at 7.

One thing I always do when I locate what I feel is a deep coin (9" to 10")...is mess with gain...sensitivity...etc over the said target...just to see what it sounds like. IMHO the sound heard drastically changes when I mess with these settings.

You ARE definitely on the right track with exactly what you stated..."the somewhat broken tone, cursor flutter along the top - check"

Just keep diggin' what you think "has a shot" at being a deep coin...and sooner or later one will pop out...and you will have a basic understanding of what to listen for.

That doesn't mean the sound won't be a little different depending on other variables such as soil conditions...amount of trash around target...iron around target...etc...but you are definitely on the right track of listening for deepies...at least in my opinion....which might not be worth much

 

[Jason illinois]

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[PJ]

Outstanding answers guys. Once again you guys are quite informative. I find very little deep silver but the few that I do sound exactly like what you geniuses are talking about. Thanks again. Good question also. PJ

 

[dewcon4414]

Good def on those deep signals. What ive also noticed it the headphones make a difference. I use a pair of whites and normally hunt with Gain 9. With the Whites i can tell the difference from a deep signal for a shallow one.... much like hunting with Gain 7. However, if i use my Minelab headphones i dont get that modulation so i have either move the Gain to 10 or drop it down to 7 depending how i want to hunt. Also with the whites, those coins like silver, IH, and dimes have an obvious different sound especially deep ones. That another reason its difficult to explain what the sound may sound like. I carry a splitter with me now so if im hunting with someone they can plug in and hear what it sounds like on my machine with my settings. Everyones hearing is different so hearing someone settings might be an improvement in tone that they want to use. I also hunt with threshold tone at 8.

Dew

 

[backlashd]

Great thread, thanks to all for posting.

 

[bazooka]

Here's my video... the merc was deep but unfortunately we didn't get it on video before the plug was dug. However, at 2:25 I got a wheat at about 9 or 9.5" and got plenty of audio before digging. Like Bryce said though, different situations will cause different sounds.

[video]http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/therschbach/?action=view&current=041109vid.flv[/video]

 

[DirtFlipper]

Here's my video... the merc was deep but unfortunately we didn't get it on video before the plug was dug. However, at 2:25 I got a wheat at about 9 or 9.5" and got plenty of audio before digging. Like Bryce said though, different situations will cause different sounds.

[video]http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/therschbach/?action=view&current=041109vid.flv[/video]

Yeah, now that wheat sound at 2:25 is more like the deeper signals I've been experiencing. High tones, with more of a 'whimper' to them - narrow signal, with quick rise and fall, but repeatable, and with that sweeter peak tone. Do you recall if 'Deep' was on?

Thanks all, for sharing. Anymore examples capture on video? Would love to hear even more iffy ones that turned out good.

HH,
DirtFlipper

 

[bazooka]

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[Andrus(ut)]

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[dippodigger]

thanks for the video Bazooka.

 

[sovereign-fan]

i came across this quick video if it helps any. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6242990608022411386&ei=SewXS97iBoGe-Ab4sOjmBw&q=minelab+explorer+xs&hl=en#

 

[mcb613]

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