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Someone who is having trouble with nails with the ET try this....
- Thread starter jbow
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Jim upstate NY
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but if your in a bunch of nails, switching to sizing wont help determine your target size... it just reads everything in the ground.. so looks like one big signal.. But so far I doing think I had any nails reading like coins and sounding solid like coins, its just the audio in conductive makes a false that makes them sound like coins at first... forcing you to stop and work the signal..you dont get near as much higher toned in ferrous, but then your limited to only that one 12 tone...
I don't recall having any making me think they were coins after rechecking them closely, at least I didnt dig any nails anyway. but till I get out at an old abandoned site with some nails deep by themselves I cant say for sure.. those are the ones you generally will have trouble with... where the high tone comes through faintly and making you think maybe just maybe there is a good target down there mixed in with coins, which is where the high tone in ferrous mode made it much easier to tell.. conductive and I just don't know, but I had a reason for not using conductive all these years.. I also dont think you can rely on the digital readout on the deep stuff.. I had the deeper pennies yesterday reading up as high as 16-47 yesterday, but did bounce back into the 12 range. the iron falses were coming much higher on the ferrous reading.. by higher I mean lower on the screen
but not way down by bottom either,, so it seems to knock them completely out you need a lot more than a few notches on the bottom.. yesterdays hunt I had with it is not really a true test in my opinion. in the sites I generally hunt no one has lived in for well over 100 years... so much less modern trash interfering, but many more old bloated and bent rusty square nails deep, they are the ones that sound more like a coin... still have bits and pieces of brass around them though, and they also stayed in that 12 range.. I think its going to be quite confusing for most people in that type of trash.. At the old sites I get around to digging all the positives sooner or later.. but is nice when its a fresh site to ignore the oddball signals and go for the good stuff.. never know who will be there next or if you can keep hunting it forever... with the Etrac I think we will need to just concentrate on the highest conductive range 38 or above to get away from most trash.. but that leaves a lot of good coins behind
With the explorer I knew where most stuff read on the smart screen and just concentrated on those as well as high toned and upper right.. lumping on more stuff on a straight line of 12 going to make it much harder to cherry pick.. unless of course its only the bigger copper and silver coins.. this will be especially true in parks. One good thing they didn't seem to take away the nice smooth hits you get on the round targets, so you can still go after those, where the oddball shaped aluminum while reading in the coin range did not sound as good.. Supposed to get rain here next 4 or 5 days.. hopefully not enough that it keeps me from trying a few spots... I hope my SE doesn't get upset about me leaving it home
I don't recall having any making me think they were coins after rechecking them closely, at least I didnt dig any nails anyway. but till I get out at an old abandoned site with some nails deep by themselves I cant say for sure.. those are the ones you generally will have trouble with... where the high tone comes through faintly and making you think maybe just maybe there is a good target down there mixed in with coins, which is where the high tone in ferrous mode made it much easier to tell.. conductive and I just don't know, but I had a reason for not using conductive all these years.. I also dont think you can rely on the digital readout on the deep stuff.. I had the deeper pennies yesterday reading up as high as 16-47 yesterday, but did bounce back into the 12 range. the iron falses were coming much higher on the ferrous reading.. by higher I mean lower on the screen
but not way down by bottom either,, so it seems to knock them completely out you need a lot more than a few notches on the bottom.. yesterdays hunt I had with it is not really a true test in my opinion. in the sites I generally hunt no one has lived in for well over 100 years... so much less modern trash interfering, but many more old bloated and bent rusty square nails deep, they are the ones that sound more like a coin... still have bits and pieces of brass around them though, and they also stayed in that 12 range.. I think its going to be quite confusing for most people in that type of trash.. At the old sites I get around to digging all the positives sooner or later.. but is nice when its a fresh site to ignore the oddball signals and go for the good stuff.. never know who will be there next or if you can keep hunting it forever... with the Etrac I think we will need to just concentrate on the highest conductive range 38 or above to get away from most trash.. but that leaves a lot of good coins behindWith the explorer I knew where most stuff read on the smart screen and just concentrated on those as well as high toned and upper right.. lumping on more stuff on a straight line of 12 going to make it much harder to cherry pick.. unless of course its only the bigger copper and silver coins.. this will be especially true in parks. One good thing they didn't seem to take away the nice smooth hits you get on the round targets, so you can still go after those, where the oddball shaped aluminum while reading in the coin range did not sound as good.. Supposed to get rain here next 4 or 5 days.. hopefully not enough that it keeps me from trying a few spots... I hope my SE doesn't get upset about me leaving it home
Problem with all the nifty hype and videos is instead of passing on scratchy non, true repeating signals and moving on, I keep thinking that just maybe it's a two way only signal because of nails surrounding it and I stop to dig a nail
Have got to remember, clean repeating signals only, then I can learn the iffys. Tell you what though, if you are used to an Explorer, the tones and stability of this thing are hard to get used to. It's more like a chirpy F-75, which is fine, just got to get used to it.
Have got to remember, clean repeating signals only, then I can learn the iffys. Tell you what though, if you are used to an Explorer, the tones and stability of this thing are hard to get used to. It's more like a chirpy F-75, which is fine, just got to get used to it."...many more old bloated and bent rusty square nails deep, they are the ones that sound more like a coin... still have bits and pieces of brass around them though, and they also stayed in that 12 range.. I think its going to be quite confusing for most people in that type of trash."
Those are the ones, bent nails and pieces of square nails. They are the ones that make me dig... I usually know better but I always think, "if I don't dig it I will miss the find of the year". Switching to digital when I pinpoint almost always gives me an iron reading, so I am learning. The ET seems to ID iron better in ferrous and 2 tones but I don't want to hunt in that setting.
Thanks for clearing up the 'sizing' thing for me. I was confused about that.
I went out today to three sites. First one was in Kingston, the place I went yesterday... really bad soil. Lots and lots of iron and cinder. I didn't find anything but I felt better after I stuck my digger in the ground at a slight angle and buried, in three different places, a penny, a dime, and a nickel. The dime and the nickel promptly disappeared. I could not hit them with an SE, an E-Trac, a T2, or a Tejon... at about 6". So I left.
Went to another site and found a couple of zinc pennies. Then to an old lot in town... there I found several odd items, a 1919 cent and an 1890 V nickel... so I feel a little better about it.
I think I am going to like the ET. I don't think I will be able to justify keeping the SE... but I want to be sure... no regrets.
Thanks for all the help... you and everyone else.
J
Those are the ones, bent nails and pieces of square nails. They are the ones that make me dig... I usually know better but I always think, "if I don't dig it I will miss the find of the year". Switching to digital when I pinpoint almost always gives me an iron reading, so I am learning. The ET seems to ID iron better in ferrous and 2 tones but I don't want to hunt in that setting.
Thanks for clearing up the 'sizing' thing for me. I was confused about that.
I went out today to three sites. First one was in Kingston, the place I went yesterday... really bad soil. Lots and lots of iron and cinder. I didn't find anything but I felt better after I stuck my digger in the ground at a slight angle and buried, in three different places, a penny, a dime, and a nickel. The dime and the nickel promptly disappeared. I could not hit them with an SE, an E-Trac, a T2, or a Tejon... at about 6". So I left.
Went to another site and found a couple of zinc pennies. Then to an old lot in town... there I found several odd items, a 1919 cent and an 1890 V nickel... so I feel a little better about it.
I think I am going to like the ET. I don't think I will be able to justify keeping the SE... but I want to be sure... no regrets.
Thanks for all the help... you and everyone else.
J
Yeah, I think I am going to like it better than the SE. I really struggled trying to learn the SE and finally began to get a handle on it when I switched to AM and ferrous sounds... however, the ET seems to be easier to use with patterns. Maybe you can swing it a little faster too, but not much I think.
I still have not found anything over 6" deep but that may well be because I have not had anythin deep under the coil.
So far so good...
Julien
I still have not found anything over 6" deep but that may well be because I have not had anythin deep under the coil.
So far so good...
Julien
Matt... it's those small pieces of square nail or bent nails. I know they probably aren't a good target but they make me think that they might be. I am learning though. I like the ET so far. They always seem to read iron when I pinpoint and switch to digital. Then when I go back out of pinpoint they tell me that they may be a good target... it's hard to pass by some of them.
I live in an area that was settled in the 1830s and most places have old and new trash, old and new targets. I know one place that has no new trash. It is an old plantation site. The house is long gone. I've have not hunted the place much but others have. I've never found anything there. Maybe it will be a good place to hunt with the ETrac, i'll give it a try... but it is discouraging to hunt places with no targets.
J
I live in an area that was settled in the 1830s and most places have old and new trash, old and new targets. I know one place that has no new trash. It is an old plantation site. The house is long gone. I've have not hunted the place much but others have. I've never found anything there. Maybe it will be a good place to hunt with the ETrac, i'll give it a try... but it is discouraging to hunt places with no targets.
J