Suggestions for the next generation (T2)

[earthmansurfer]

I know I've seen this here before, but after reading on some of the new detectors I have some more ideas.
The next generation T2 needs:

A backlight
Built in Clock
Make it quiet like the Omega 8000
ID better at depth (yes, the Omega 8000 does better than the T2)
Memory for settings (in advance mode)

Full adjustability with settings:
Iron Volume adjustability- e.g. Adjust the sound level of the iron grunts, that way we can run with no discrimination and not get a headache.
Threshold adjustability with tones - decide where the tones change
Target response/reactivity - Fast for crowded ground and slow for deep (have a range) (I don't like using the dp program for depth)

Keep doing things with target sampling type though (sampled or continuous) - maybe make it user adjustable too.
3 frequencies (great to compare targets) to operate separately.
Better in iron - yes, better.

Keep giving us information on the target strength and ground, it's great to have. Keep the low end iron range.
Overall, keep the unit easy to operate but also allow for more flexibility for advance users. For example, wouldn't it be nice for the T2 to have the above features in addition to what it can do now?

 

[Keith Southern]

1-lower battery pack under elbow done away with.1-9 volt inside control housing!!
2-A true Mixed mode audio(All metal threshold based in one ear and disc with one tone in the other) Just like the nautilus very beneficial for iron relic hunting
3-Noise reduction to electrical interference but give me some instability at the top end of gain...
4-2-tone I.D. with my own break point PLEEEEEEZE!!!!!!!!!!(more resolution between disc numbers like 1/4 increments up to 40 at least)
5- option for auto ground tracking with offset ability..but keep fast-grab!!
6- Memory would be nice but not a requirement...( I like to tune mine at the start of the hunt) turn on and go can be dangerous sometimes
7- target sizing in pinpoint..
8-Weather proof the machine it could not cost 10.00 bucks and it's an option I would pay 100.00 for..Come on we use these thing's in baking sun,cold weather,High humidity,Briar patch's,Etc Etc Etc,,and lay them in the dirt constantly and pick them up with dirty hand's and get caught in a down pour a mile from the truck every now and then!!!!
9-Multi freq would be the cat's meow...how about 5- 12.5 - 20 Khz... with option to choose 1, 2, or 3 at a time running in any combo...and do it all with one coil!!!
10- Gotta keep it green!!

I like some of your ideas also earthman!!


Keith

 

[johnnybegood]

May i ask what is a better machine the T2 or the omega 8000?
What machine has better depth?

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

I would go with the T2 for relic hunting and the LTD for every kind of hunting and the omega as a stand alone backup. If you are just starting then it is up to you how you spend your money for the the LTD and my 8000 is all I need till the next best machine comes out!

 

[earthmansurfer]

May i ask what is a better machine the T2 or the omega 8000?
What machine has better depth?

I've been following the newly released XP Deus out here in Europe (btw - The XP machines have a very good reputation here). At first people were attacking it as being gimmicky but everything I've read now says it's not. Head to head with the E trac it's depth is just as good and it comes with a 9" DD coil I think (Honestly, it seems like a more powerful, better performing and fully programmable wireless T2). That said, it's 1400 Euro and new coils are a lot as they house the electronics. But all of my suggestions above came from reading the manual for the Deus. I feel like waiting to see what Teknetics comes out with before purchasing a Deus though. I am content with my T2 for the rest of the season (I think - I have the extra money now, so wouldn't mind trying one out.) OH, but you can't get it in America (yet - I think the wireless frequencies have to be changed or the like for it to get approved there.)

Keith, I like you ideas as well. Download the Deus manual and you'll see what i mean, it's like a supercharged T2 and performing as such. A few guys here in Europe have both and so far the nod goes to the Deus but it's almost twice the cost. I learned on a Nautilus and LOVE your all metal idea. Number 4 is what I was alluding to above. Number 8 is a no brainer and would be a cheap way to stand out from other detectors. (Deus has 4,5,6 and 9).

Low Boy - I'm thinking of picking up an Omega 8000 when I go back to America for the reason you stated. When something high end comes out I'll use it as my backup, but it does seem better on coins from everything I've read. Id's at depth, which the T2 and Deus don't do well.

 

[Monte]

Naturally, we all have our own biases, but I tend to like to keep things simple as it can often actually add to the success one has. Okay, here are my thoughts, for whatever they are worth:

1-lower battery pack under elbow done away with.1-9 volt inside control housing!!

Unless the single 9V would provide use-life as long as the 4-AA alkalines, I'd favor the AA batteries with the T2. Also, I like having the headphone jack at the rear on the T2 as it doesn't stretch the headphone cable as much. I just like the T2's "fit and balance" with the current design.

2-A true Mixed mode audio (All metal threshold based in one ear and disc with one tone in the other) Just like the nautilus very beneficial for iron relic hunting

Personally, I didn't use the Nautilus much, but I know I didn't care for the split audio. I can handle doing a mode switch, if necessary,, and if I am mainly hunting in a Discriminate mode and want to 'hear it all," I'll use a T2 or Omega and the 2-tone audio function at minimum Disc. to hear the separation between ferrous and non-ferrous junk. That's just me.

3-Noise reduction to electrical interference but give me some instability at the top end of gain..

Like you, I prefer to be able to adjust a detector high enough so that, if there is a bit of raggedy EMI, i can tone it down a little. It shouldn't bee too excessive on the upper end, however. Just a bit of instability at the upper level for just a little adjustment.

4-2-tone I.D. with my own break point PLEEEEEEZE!!!!!!!!!!(more resolution between disc numbers like 1/4 increments up to 40 at least)

I am fine with the various audio Tone breaks for most settings, but, like you, I'd like to be able to adjust the iron-Range tone-break to my liking w/o having to reject all iron.

5- option for auto ground tracking with offset ability..but keep fast-grab!!

I like the Fast grab/Ground Grab (depending upon model) as well as the manual GB override found on the T2, Omega and Gamma. But when it comes to Auto-Tracking, I am not very thrilled with it when you're using such a fast-paced circuitry. As it is the T2 and Omega are "tracking" the ground mineral changes while you're sweeping the search coil and, if you want to update the GB setting to what's being "tracked" just pause and press the Fast Grab or Ground Grab toggle or touch pad.

One problem I found, often, and have seen others endure the problems, too, are to much too-fast Auto-tracking as found on the White's MXT or M6. it's especially bad when you're hunting in areas with a lot of hot rocks, and worse when you're hunting in iron infested sites as the iron will cause the detector to track ... very quickly ... to a point that will impair the performance and ground handling. This is why i like to get a good, functional GB with those models and the Lock the GB and update it as necessary. The T2 and Omega are superior because once GB'ed they ARE 'locked" and you can easily update the GB as necessary, using the Grab function or manually adjust it.

6- Memory would be nice but not a requirement...( I like to tune mine at the start of the hunt) turn on and go can be dangerous sometimes

Yes, "Memory" is a take it or leave it thing, but it would be nice to have it for those periodic times when you shut down for a break, for lunch, to chat with a hunting buddy, etc.

7- target sizing in pinpoint..

If you're referring to the Garrett sizing or that on the White's V3i, I'm not that thrilled. I've seen too many situation where, owning those models and working them afield, their "sizing" was errant enough to be useless. At least for ME it was.

I DO, however, like to have some power level adjustment with the Pinpoint function on occasion. With the Omega I like to have the pinpoint function Sensitivity variable on occasion based upon the Sensitivity level. The T2, however, has a strong pinpoint gain level that isn't tied with the All Metal or Discriminate mode's Sensitivity settings. they can be adjusted at or down or up from the factory default, but the pinpoint strength of the T2 is essentially the same all the time. It works well, especially on deeper targets, but there are times I'd like to be able to reduce the PP gain level.

8-Weather proof the machine it could not cost 10.00 bucks and it's an option I would pay 100.00 for..Come on we use these thing's in baking sun,cold weather,High humidity,Briar patch's,Etc Etc Etc,,and lay them in the dirt constantly and pick them up with dirty hand's and get caught in a down pour a mile from the truck every now and then!!!!

Rough call for me as I really pamper my detectors. My right hand operates the detector and both my hand and detector stay pretty clean. My left hand does the recovery work and I seldom have what would be considered a 'dirty' detector. Still, you're right about 'weather-proofing" and such for bad weather conditions.

9-Multi freq would be the cat's meow...how about 5- 12.5 - 20 Khz... with option to choose 1, 2, or 3 at a time running in any combo...and do it all with one coil!!!

I haven't been convinced that most 'multi-frequency' models work all that well or accomplish all that's well when using all frequencies. I prefer to own different models with different frequencies for my needs. Still, we're all different and have a variety of likes and dislikes.

10- Gotta keep it green!!

GREEN ... I'm all for it with the T2, to be sure.!!

Monte

 

[Keith Southern]

of a preference if it worked accordingly like the xterra 705 has...That's the best tracking I have ever used.. Actually the auto tracking on the xterra 70/705 helped it 10 fold to I.D. iron why??? I don't know but it would false iron till the auto track was engaged then it was virtually perfect I.D.

So yes auto is not the perfect mode compared to a good manual or even fast grab.. But If it was a 21st century auto tracking system it would help alot of people who still are not sure when to re-ground balance....


Now that true mixed mode is awesome for more of an archeological type dig...Nautilus till this day for relic hunting is second to none..I just wish I could figure away to get that bi-axial coil on a nautilus machine so it could run in bad dirt...Maybe one day !!Or even better Tek will do it for us!!!

Side note: I dig certain bob wire sometimes because of the valueusing the all metal modes on detector's

I should of been a little more informative on the sizing...Its still too far off anyway but a true sizing/shaping 3-D type screen...MRI if you will... just fantasy thinking on that oneYour right the technology for sizing right now suffer's greatly

On the multi freq...If done right I would love to play with it to see if freq really is everything by switching on the fly


Now from the first time I turned on a T-2 and hunted with it till now ....I still believe it's the best machine first texas has had if price isn't an option...I prefer it to any tek/fisher machine... just the way it is right now....The LTD's didnt do much for me in my ground...But a good running T-2 is a e very enjoyable machine...I'm just sorry some people me including have had some bad ones ...A good un's hard to beat




Gotta love the GREEN Machine

 

[Keith Southern]

especially when there so close and from the same manufacturer....Knowing what I know and the way I hunt mostly dig it all but nail's style I lean toward's the T-2...Reasons why

1-When in 2 tone mode the Omega will try to signal low conductors non-ferrous like in the below 55 range as iron on some passes of the coil and the T-2 will usually call it non- ferrous on more passes.This is side by side comparisons when using 2 tone max sens and properly ground balanced in my dirt. On high conductors they are even on depth with proper sweep speed being the same..T-2 is hotter on all conductors across the board..

2-I know when coil for coil is used the T-2 is slightly faster audio wise over the omega not much but ever so slightly...this can be verified also by looking in the back of the manuals at the lag coefficient of the detectors..


Omega
Basic sensitivity: 2.5 x 109 root Hertz (detectivity)
Lag coefficient: 92 milliseconds

T-2
Basic Sensitivity: 5x10 9 root Hertz (detectivity).
Lag Coefficient: 70 milliseconds

F-75
Basic Sensitivity:6 x 109 root Hertz (detectivity)
Lag Coefficient:78 milliseconds

Notice the F-75 has the most power/sens but the T-2 is the fastest response..lower milliseconds means faster.But remember there all 3 fast
but the t-2 is the fastest and I can tell minutely but I can tell and that's all the difference in the world when hunting trash and iron...

Just my take in my dirt and style of hunting...

Keith

 

[Monte]

n/t

 

[Jackpine Savage]

As Keith pointed out the T2 makes for a better relic hunting unit with its ability to hit the full range of conductivity/target sizes better than the Omega. In the process of making it "quieter in iron" the Omega does give up some response to small foil trash and and certain three dimensional targets such as .22 cal hulls. However small low conductors with more mass than thin foil are not lost.

Where the Omega really shines is its ability to hit on edge coins in the mid depth range of 5"-7" even when closely co-located with iron !! This is probably the main reason many experienced users have gone to the Omega as their primary or backup unit. It works and as so many have stated it is just plain fun to use.

So, for some loss on small low conductors due to the quiet in iron enhancement and lower frequency of the Omega compared to the T2 you get a great coin machine that also does extremely well on rings. Not a bad trade off in my opinion.

Tom

 

[Out-at-night-only]

Just been looking at the above comments and just wondered if anyone has thought about cordless headphones being added. Ive been using them for some time on my Godmaxx Power and find them much better than corded phones.

 

[reltolbert]

The future T2 should incorporate the Notch system.

 

[Youngted]

I have suggested to Teknetics that they could add a71 Khz mode into the T2 at some stage that would beat all known machines on small gold & small ancient coins .Tested on a thin la tene 3 brooch 8 inches 71 Khz 2inches T2 nothing on a Minlab !!

 

[Cal_Cobra]

especially when there so close and from the same manufacturer....Knowing what I know and the way I hunt mostly dig it all but nail's style I lean toward's the T-2...Reasons why

1-When in 2 tone mode the Omega will try to signal low conductors non-ferrous like in the below 55 range as iron on some passes of the coil and the T-2 will usually call it non- ferrous on more passes.This is side by side comparisons when using 2 tone max sens and properly ground balanced in my dirt. On high conductors they are even on depth with proper sweep speed being the same..T-2 is hotter on all conductors across the board..

2-I know when coil for coil is used the T-2 is slightly faster audio wise over the omega not much but ever so slightly...this can be verified also by looking in the back of the manuals at the lag coefficient of the detectors..


Omega
Basic sensitivity: 2.5 x 109 root Hertz (detectivity)
Lag coefficient: 92 milliseconds

T-2
Basic Sensitivity: 5x10 9 root Hertz (detectivity).
Lag Coefficient: 70 milliseconds

F-75
Basic Sensitivity:6 x 109 root Hertz (detectivity)
Lag Coefficient:78 milliseconds

Notice the F-75 has the most power/sens but the T-2 is the fastest response..lower milliseconds means faster.But remember there all 3 fast
but the t-2 is the fastest and I can tell minutely but I can tell and that's all the difference in the world when hunting trash and iron...

Just my take in my dirt and style of hunting...

Keith

This is an interesting set of data. Keep in mind that the Lag Coefficient:is measured in milliseconds, a thousandth (1/1,000) of a second. Perceiving the difference in 22 milliseconds (T-2 vs Omega) is impressive. Also this data is with the T-2 and F-75 using the 11" DD coil, yet the Omega the 10" concentric coil. I think it would be interesting to if the Omega data was captured using the same coil as the T-2 and F-75. Basic sensitivity should remain the same, but lag coefficient might change as the coil and detector computer has less to analyze.

Dave J. said this about these data points a while back:

Detectivity is strictly an electrical parameter which generally speaking doesn't depend on what searchcoil you have installed, the operating frequency of the machine, or how you have the controls adjusted. Also with respect to lag coefficient, that's an electrical and software parameter independent of searchcoil design and operating frequency, but is often dependent on what mode you're using. It is common knowledge that certain searchcoil designs offer quicker or slower response than others, so lag coefficient doesn't completely describe the speed of machine response.