That's how I roll!...or used to...

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I went out to hunt yesterday and found that I am really settling in to hunting with AT, SL, 9 on the thresh and 99 on the sense, and for some reason on yesterday's hunt it just all of a sudden clicked and it became natural, simple and easy so I used those settings most of the day.
Even in an extremely high EMI environment I was able to see what was going on below me, avoid 99.9 % of the high tone pop tops and all iron big and small, avoid most trash and only dug a few pieces that could have possibly been gold, (but weren't), and for the first time since I got my F70 for most of it just got down to business and hunted without messing around with the settings on every target so much.
Even at these settings it turned out to be the easiest hunt for me to pick out the good stuff so far.
Not close to being done with experimentation, but it felt good to get out there and just roll like the old days.
Results below, I knew I would raise up my volume if I didn't mess around so much with the settings.
Nice to know the old skills are still there and not so rusty even after the long winter layoff.

 

[mudpuppy]

You sure are working the whole keyboard on that 70! Nice job!
Mud

 

[REVIER]

You sure are working the whole keyboard on that 70! Nice job!
Mud

I tell ya mud it was surreal and amazing.
An AHA moment I call those, one where even with all the numbers flashing on the screen, (tons of them iron from numbers one to eighteen), and the constant tones in my phones it was almost effortless and so quick for me to be able to pick out the actual good targets and get all other targets to stay within my 2 number jump rule or quickly rule them out as trash if they didn't.
Still dug some suspected jumpy trash just to be sure at the beginning, but most of the day confidence was high that I got all of the good stuff and left just about all of the bad stuff possible in the ground.
Without digging everything who knows, maybe not, but it sure felt that way!
Not my largest volume of coins on one hunt by a long shot, but the largest volume of this year.
I don't recall having many hunts with this many good targets and at the end had such an empty trash pouch.

I keep saying it...this is going to be a great year!

 

[mudpuppy]

You musta been hankerin for an audio overload kind of day..makes my ears and eyeballs bleed just thinking about it! Sometimes I'll run AT on the beach, especially on a big wide expanse with few targets so I dont get so bored...but dang, in a park..not any more!
Mud

 

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You musta been hankerin for an audio overload kind of day..makes my ears and eyeballs bleed just thinking about it! Sometimes I'll run AT on the beach, especially on a big wide expanse with few targets so I dont get so bored...but dang, in a park..not any more!
Mud

It appears I have gotten used to it, don't seem to mind it, and with more practice might even be able to take advantage of it.
In the last few months when I have had a chance and the weather cooperated, I have a woods site in an old park where I have found silver, that old Ronson lighter and other goodies by using several methods and settings as I was getting used to them.
It is up the side of a small mountain and there are two problems there, some really heavy EMI due to being pretty much in line of site with every tower of any kind for miles, and more fricken pieces of foil, large and small, than you can imagine.
The place had been used as a recreational horse trail forever and people have been camping all over this thing for about 100 years, and much to my dismay I discovered that tin or aluminum foil does not disintegrate and go away...EVER!
I gotta find me a Barber coin this year and that is a type of coin that has been found up there before.
Maybe, just maybe with my new found skills I might just be able to visit there soon, use these high powered all metal settings which I never attempted to do before, and efficiently and quickly find me a Barber and who knows what else in the lower conductivity area...maybe even gold.

 

[Steve O]

I know what you mean Revier. I run my f-75 balls to the wall most of the time. I've gotten used to all the noise and blank them out.. except the important tones...... those are the ones I focus on.
If there is emi that can't be mitigated, no biggie...the f series units will put target tones through, shutting out the emi noise. The target tones take precedence. With practice, your brain can hunt like this without going bananas. If I want a easy going relaxing hunt, out to the fields I go....or I switch to my cz.

 

[REVIER]

I know what you mean Revier. I run my f-75 balls to the wall most of the time. I've gotten used to all the noise and blank them out.. except the important tones...... those are the ones I focus on.
If there is emi that can't be mitigated, no biggie...the f series units will put target tones through, shutting out the emi noise. The target tones take precedence. With practice, your brain can hunt like this without going bananas. If I want a easy going relaxing hunt, out to the fields I go....or I switch to my cz.

Well thanks!

Good to know I am not the only crazy one that would consider hunting this way...or want to.
And you are correct...through all the noise, jumping numbers, falsing and all, when a target is under the coil it really does seem to let me know.
The trick is to be able to hear, spot and understand the cues when it is telling you this.

 

[GroundScanner]

The autotone mode (AT) is that all metal mode ? Can this mode use disc ? I just got a good deal on a F70 for my son and we are going to compare the 70 and 75 . Thanks,GS

 

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The autotone mode (AT) is that all metal mode ? Can this mode use disc ? I just got a good deal on a F70 for my son and we are going to compare the 70 and 75 . Thanks,GS

Yes, all metal mode.
You can go down to 0 disc, and then one more move down you are in AT so the same as no disc but a threshold tone pops up.
That tone has some modulation, the shallower targets will have a different, higher zip-zip sound than those a bit deeper.

The F75 is very cool with a few features that the F75 doesn't have, and some really cool minor and different adjustments that are all out neat, but if you are looking for a lean and mean machine, with still so many possible settings it will make your head swim but by learning what they do and you can change this thing into several totally different detectors.
Love the standard elliptical coil, too, add in the 11"dd F75 coil and depth between the two will be hard to measure a difference.
Yea, I know the F75 has boost but the F70 has SL mode which came out first.
Go read what Dave J. has written about how similar they are.

 

[IBdiggin]

You're on the right path Mister "R" in my opinion....... I always run my 70 on the chatty side(low discrimination). I always keep Auto tune,(All metal) set up in my number 1 program. Best of both worlds. You can have AT set up for high sensitivity settings for a more accurate VDI of iffy, nearly out of reach targets. On the other hand my program 2 is discrimination mode. It is a mere one touch of the program button away meant to toggle back and fourth, with all the settings of each preset. I found very early by slipping into that all metal mode, even if only momentarily, you hear and see the actual VDI of that iron target. I feel many of the signals we learn to interpret as false can be caused or at least increased by discrimination modes when adding very high sensitivity settings. .-------------------------------------------HH-IB.

 

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On another forum there is a hunter also learning the F70 and we are having a good time comparing notes.
His soil is nowhere near as good as mine, he GB's in the 70's with sometimes 3 dirt bars, a number I have never seen on my screen.
Yesterday he was doing some testing like I have been and he said when he moved the disc from 5 or 4 to 6 he gained an inch in depth.
I just read someone mentioned "the sweet spot" on the F75 that runs from 6-19 on the disc.
At these levels you might get the least amount of EMI problems and background noise and maybe was the reason for his depth bump.
On the F70 it is the same, under 6 and over 19 something called a high gain preamp kicks in, and this is like a volume control that brightens up signals, makes everything a bit louder and gathers in a bit more information on everything and not just targets but other stuff like mineralization and magnetic properties in the soil, all extra background noise possible and even EMI.
The only thing I can think of is that in my soil which is great, setting my disc at 5 or under does get me a bit deeper, clearer signals, while on his not so great dirt at least one of the extra components gathered up by that same setting with the higher gain actually blocks him and might limit his depth.

I have been screwing around with the thresh, sensitivity, speed and tone settings on a few deep targets trying to determine what way to set this thing to get the most consistent stable and clearest dig me signals possible in both the screen info but definitely the audio clues.
Even though I knew about this 6-19 disc thing it never occurred to me to try changing this setting at the same time.
Now I will.
There might be some combination in disc that will get me just as deep with the same solid stable signals as I think AT will take me with the benefit of not having to deal with all that extra noise in all metal.
Using a little more disc to cut out at least some of that low end garbage would be welcome, also.

 

[WhatTheBeep]

Revier, look at the 5th post down (by WV62) here: http://www.findmall.com/read.php?37,2036387

According to his F75 tests, setting Disc to 65 gains quite a bit of depth. Of course that would knock out a lot of things you might look for, but combined with notch it might be workable if the extra boost remained.