the future of the CoRe and Relic design

[OregonGregg]

it looks like they may have moved on from the CF77/CoRe/Relic form factor and I for one am glad. Just my opinion.

Just curious, have you ever tried a CoRe or Relic. or CF77 before you made your statement?

 

[Dave_E]

Did you ever get you hands on a CoRe, or Relic, to compare them with the Racer 2? Ever compared them with their smaller-size coil and also hunt with each of them for 30 minutes or longer using a standard 7X11 DD coil? Likely not, because the FORS series design, while it appears to be a heavier package layout, is one of the best balanced and most comfortable detectors I have ever used, especially if hunting for any period of time with a mid-sized to standard-sized search coil attached. Much lighter and more comfortable with a 7X11 than the Racer 2. I won't even use the 7X11 on a Racer series model, and don't even own a Racer 2 7X11 DD coil. If I want to hunt with that size coil, it will be on the working end of a CoRe or Relic

No. I didn't get my hands on one. Like many detectorists, I have 1 single machine that needs to be customizable and flexible. I need 1 machine that has many settings and a variety of available coils.

I appreciate that you have many years experience many machines and I read all of your posts. However, a lot of your opinions come from a place where you think having a couple identical detectors with different coils mounted and different settings saved on each makes sense. Some of us can't see the logic in that and would simply switch coils and change settings on a single detector. While all of your knowledge and wisdom has value, much of it comes from a view where you just don't relate to users that don't have a team of detectors. Many of us have 1 or maybe 2.


I guess if you are a 'frequent mode and setting switcher,' then one of the models with an in-your-face display and control access might be more to your liking.

"Dig it all", at my sites, is not an option. I change modes, settings, or even frequencies to cross check a target to minimize digging out of respect for the owners that give me permission on their property. It's not simply that "I like" the larger, well placed display and control box. It's that every control is accessible with my thumb or single finger. I carry my Sampson 31" in my opposite hand. Try to imagine if I had to flip a CoRe/Relic up sideways, drop the digger, and use 2 hands to simply change from Di3 to all metal, or from 20 kHz to 5 kHz? Many people can imagine that, and that's why we didn't need to get one in our hands pre-purchase. The physical layout of controls make no sense to some of us. I'm not referring to the balance, or the weight, or the handle whatsoever.

It "seems" Nokta/Makro engineers see the value in well placed controls and that's why they're moving away from that design, but who knows, they may come out with one in the future that goes back to it.

Respectfully, an opinion from a guy with 1 detector at a time.

 

[Dave_E]

When I originally bought the Racer 2, I decided on it rather than the CoRe because of the CoRe design.

I switch modes and make adjustments A LOT when I detect. I couldn't see myself constantly flipping the detector up sideways to make changes.

Nokta/Makro is working out their issues with better balancing machines. The way the Impact, Kruzer, and soon to be Storm are physically laid out, it looks like they may have moved on from the CF77/CoRe/Relic form factor and I for one am glad. Just my opinion.


Dave,

Tell me about the Storm. Is this a new Nokta platform similar to the Kruzers?


Rich

I have no actual specifics about the Storm. What little is out there appears to be a waterproof unit. Dilek stated they’re working on a multi freq, but I don’t know if that is it.

Judging by their units released the last few years, I do have faith that Nokta/Makro are developing their tech quicker than most companies.
I hope the Storm has at least everything that the Impact has, with added simultaneous multiple frequencies in a waterproof form factor.
You can catch glimpses of it online.

 

[UtahRich]

LOL ya the Bad Boy Yellow is almost the same Color as "CAT" yellow. Came out looking pretty spiffy

Have to admit, that Yellow would be a good look to be sporting on the CoRe's at the WTHO. Would that be difficult to pull off?


Rich -

 

[nenadgbeepin]

I like the Fors set-up. Curved rods, with the stick handle feel best for me.

If a Fors unit is to remain in the Nokta line-up, (I sure hope they do!), then I'd like a few tweaks to the handle (my hand is a little squashed under the button), and a deeper armrest. Everything else is pretty spot on. Still plenty of users who like to set-up their units and just go hunt. For someone like me who grew up using the Sovereign, and the odd Tesoro and hunting audio only, I really like the Fors following this philosophy with the simple addition of a Target ID number, nothing else. However, I am also very used to my Impact and how quick and simple it is to make adjustments on the fly, and switch modes etc.

 

[OregonGregg]

Hi nenadgbeepin,

Ya, I agree the arm cup could have been a bit better. It is kinda narrow and makes it a bear if its cold out and wearing a coat to get all that in the arm up. One thing I did was threw away the arm straps that Nokta/Makro has and went to Whites website and ordered a dozen from them. They are longer and work better, especially when wearing a coat etc. Also, I favor the older style grip over the newer one. I have both, older grip on my CoRe and newer style on the Relic. But aside from a few little things I wish I could change, they are good machines and don't see replacing them anytime soon. Haven't seen anything come down the pike yet that can offer better performance for the sites I hunt.

 

[Monte]

Three years with the FORS CoRe units and two years working the Relic's have brought me a lot of success afield, plus a lot of comfort and relaxing fun . Splendid detectors with all search coils sizes, too. Some detectors out there aren't too bad to use with a smaller-size coil, but a 'standard' or larger size coil and they become too nose heavy and fatiguing. The CoRe and Relic are enjoyable in that regard.

Also, like you, having spend so many years using non-display detectors, and still keeping two or more in my personal Detector 'Team,' I tend to prefer 'simplicity' inn the newer detector designs, relying mostly on the audio response, using the audio and visual target reporting, but I don't care for a lot of excess adjustment features.

I like the Fors set-up. Curved rods, with the stick handle feel best for me.

Overall, comfortable.

If a Fors unit is to remain in the Nokta line-up, (I sure hope they do!), then I'd like a few tweaks to the handle (my hand is a little squashed under the button), and a deeper armrest. Everything else is pretty spot on.

I would guess there will be some transitions in design since the FORS series arm cups are a bit narrow for many people, and not tall enough for larger arms or when wearing a thick coat, etc. The Racer series and Impact do have taller and wider arm cups, but for some they are too wide.

Two arm cups we currently have that I do like better are the more flexible plastic type on the White's MX Sport and MX-7, and I really like the new arm cup used on the Kruzer series. Nice and flexible, tall enough to make them works well for a bare arm or for someone with a coat or layered clothing. No foam to bind which allows easier insertion or removal of your arm for target recovery, etc. I wish there was a similar, flexible, taller design like that for the FORS series.

That said, I don't really have any issues with my CoRe or Relic models except lacking ample time to put them all to good use hunting old sites. Both are some of my all-time favorite detectors to use.

For someone like me who grew up using the Sovereign, and the odd Tesoro and hunting audio only, I really like the Fors following this philosophy with the simple addition of a Target ID number, nothing else. However, I am also very used to my Impact and how quick and simple it is to make adjustments on the fly, and switch modes etc.

I enjoy the Makro Racer 2 and the ease of adjustability, even though I seldom make any changes from my saved programs. The same holds true for the Impact. Very functional and the features are simple to access and quickly adjust .... if needed, and that seldom happens.

Another 3 hours and I'll be off to a ghost town or some other potentially rewarding site to hunt. My CoRe has been ready, and now my main-use Relic sports a new 5" DD coil and is already loaded and ready-to-go. Times will pass and I am sure Nokta has thought out their future product goals, but regardless of what comes our way, you can rest assured I have my reliable and great performing CoRe and Relic models that will be around for a long-time to come.

Monte

 

[D&P-OR]

Agree with you Monte in that adjustments (after initial set up) are seldom needed on the Fors CoRe/Relic.------I swing right handed but purchased a "left handed" CoRe and having it as such doesn't bother me at all.----In fact, in a way I think it's a "plus" as you aren't constantly looking at the box display.----You are more hunting by tones & the "joystick" small screen gives you adequate info on the hunt.----To those that don't know---the "left handed" version merely means that the box screen is on the opposite side--nothing else--everything else is the same.----I actually like it that way.----------Del

 

[u2robert]

Just my two cents but Minelab has been using this basic design with their gold detectors for years when I first seen the Nokta Fors Cors I thought of the Minelabs gold detectors (GXP 5000) you know the one that cost 4-5 thousand bucks.