The Medical Miracle You'll Get Arrested for Using

[SeniorSeeker]

This helped those with chronic nerve pain to relieve pain and sleep better. Also has over 126 potential applications including asthma, chronic fatigue, high blood pressure and nausea. But the feds warn: use this and we'll arrest you... Mercola.Com

 

[Mike Chgo area]

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[Sailorman]

OK, there are several facts to consider. All the alleged benefits of THC (which are still hotly debated pro and con by the very researchers who work with this stuff) are available in pure extract form by perscription. Smoking it also delivers considerably higher amounts of carcinogenic tar into your lungs. There is also considerable evidence linking it's use with memory impairment and several other medical and psychological issues.. These are well researched facts.

Dr. Mercola has a long and very bad track record. His business dealings have earned him a very bad review from the Better Business Bureau nationally. His medical advice has kept him in considerable legal trouble with the authorities and for genuine reasons. He get's plenty of coverage for his antics on a site called Quack Watch. Just a quick look at some of his troubles:

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=013733630485239034658%3A5df9dg8f9gc&q=mercola&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&siteurl=www.quackwatch.org%2F00AboutQuackwatch%2Fgsearch.html#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=mercola&gsc.page=1

On top of that we are commanded in the New Testament to obey the law of the land as much as possible and promoting the use of an illegal substance falls well outside of that principle.

I worked enough street level outreach to watch the effects of this mentality. I know a man right now who used pot for so called medical reasons for a number of years and he is now dieing from advanced COPD. The cause is his use of the dope, nothing else. I've seen many others whose heavy use for "medical" reasons resulted in advance into other and more harmful drugs and practices. For some people it is indeed a gateway drug.

Ever seen THC induced psychosis? Pretty crazy stuff. We called them stretcher sandwiches back in the day. One hit with the rare but correct genetic makeup and you have a raging psycho on your hands for several hours. In the old days in the military hospital you just sandwiched them between two stretchers and wrapped it up with rope until it wore off.

I love hearing about it's use to "help" people with MS. I'm all to familiar with this one as we have been in a personal battle with MS for over 15 years. The people I've known that used it to treat this weren't better, they were just stoned all the time. Big difference and it carries many more health risks. So their short term escapes in chemical bliss resulted in long term trouble.

Ever wonder why some of the so called "enlightened" European countries that had largely tolerated it's use are now cracking down again? Hmmmm. And all we need is to legalize it and introduce MORE impaired drivers?

When you buy it you are directly supporting latin drug gangs as well. Don't tell me how it's locally grown even. Crime statistics show that just over 90% of growing operations in the US are funded by them and get the profits from them. That money directly supports the narco terrorism that we see on the news.

If this is what is promoted on a Christian forum I think I'm in the wrong place.

 

[Graw]

Sailorman your right the forum has drifted away from what it use to be.
Graw

 

[TreasureDigger]

I work as the case manager & court official for a Drug Court. I manage each and every participant in the program that is offered by the court. While marijuana may have some benefits, the cons far out weigh any arguments for its benefits. I work with men and women who are in recovery and feel that I can speak as someone who is "in the know" when it comes to drug use (all types of drugs), and I can tell people from experience that marijuana is NOT a good thing. It causes health problems galore, wrecks lives, destroys families, and I could go on and on. It almost always leads to more serious drugs. Not only do I deal with it from the recovery aspect, I handle these cases on the law/judicial side. AND I can speak from experience of being a stoner from back in the day. Of course that was many years ago, but from the time I was 13 until I was about 21, I was heavily into drug use and drinking. I started out with beer and weed, but it didn't take long before I was into much more serious drinking & drug use. No, by the Grace of God, I was never an addict, but I did more than my share. Pot is NOT a good thing.

Lisa

 

[SeniorSeeker]

To be honest with you, I tend to agree to you all that this plant based product has effected the lives of millions of people negatively. I confess that I don't have all the answers and don't know the medical research of such products, if there is any worthy of discussion, but found it interesting. I didn't have any idea that Dr. Mercola has such a bad reputation. I've read his material for a long time and found it both interesting and reasonable, in comparison to others giving advice on the same subjects. I'll not post any more articles on Dr. Mercola and or his website. I only thought was that we could benefit from good medical information. I suppose you're right in that our discussions have gotten away from detecting a bit and need to return to the purpose of the forum. I'll curb my desire to 'help' by sharing medical information in the future.

 

[SeniorSeeker]

I'm too late to amend my previously post and will state that I don't believe the statements made by the FDA, about Dr. Mercola, (on Snopes.com) are all that truthful in that the FDA sides with the major drug manufacturers and not with numerous well known doctors throughout the U.S. that have proven the FDA to be bias against 'natural medicine'.

 

[TreasureDigger]

Martin, Please don't take my post (below) as a jab or argument with or against you; that was NOT my intentions. I was simply stating what I know, from experience, to be pure and simple facts concerning marijuana - from the recovery side of it, the judicial/law side of it, and from my own personal experience. As for this doctor whoever, I've never heard of him and am not able to give an opinion on him, one way or the other (and I wont even be looking him up to read the facts or fiction concerning him). I do not agree with him about the marijuana stuff, but can't say I've even read anything else by him. And I do believe this forum is for posting more than just detecting stuff. I love metal detecting and different types of treasure hunting, but there is more to life than treasure hunting, talking about it and sharing our finds. On this forum we become a family. Families share more with each other than their faith and the running of the family. They share almost everything! Fun, prayers, stories, questions, likes & dislikes, and there's no end to what families share. If this forum were strictly for talking about metal detecting and prayer requests, then I would NOT be here. You can find that in lots of other places without too much effort. Yeah, you will run into opposition here and there, but there are other places to go to if detecting is all that is allowed.

Lisa

 

[SeniorSeeker]

Good Morning Lisa,
No problem with your post whatsoever. In fact, I agree with what you say about the use of this 'drug' and the horrible side effects it has had on a multitude of people through out the country. Like many things that has been abused and misused by people everywhere, marijuana is a prime example. If science were to come up with a beneficial use for marijuana, other than smoking it, that may be an altogether different situation. As far as Snopes.com is concerned, I don't believe much of what they say because they are and have been a left-wing organization and much of what they say is slanted toward the Democratic side of most issues. They're not a conservative organization in the least. Further more, I don't accept everything Dr. Mercola has to say either, without running it past several other common sense, conservative, medical websites such as Dr. Burzynski, Dr. Whitaker, and others. Dr. Burzynski, for instance, has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that cancer can be cured WITHOUT the use of chemo-therapy and or radiation but the FDA has not, to date, accepted his research. Of course the reason for this goes back to the major drug manufacturers and the money trail.
The chem-therapy/radiation medical treatment is a multi-billion dollar industry and the FDA isn't going to let anything upset that applecart, even if it doesn't work.

 

[Ma Betty in MO]

would like more feed back on different posts myself and since I don't MD any more for health reasons and weak legs, I like reading the posts! Whether good or bad keep posting and we can figure out for ourselves what is bad or good! Isn't it amazing that most of the problems against Dr. Mercola is by the FDA....a money making business with all kinds of drugs instead of by natural means that God has provided! Amen! Ma

 

[SeniorSeeker]

Obviously I'm much to young to have witnessed it but, back in the 30's and 40's, anyone could go to their local drugstore and purchase marijuana or cocaine over the counter from their druggist. Cocaine was issued for toothache and marijuana was sold for medical reasons as well. I'll be the first to say that I don't have any idea whether either of these controlled substances actually did any good for anyone. According to God's Word, anything used and or taken to excess isn't good and that includes water and peanut butter! Obviously peanut butter wasn't available during biblical times but you get the point. More and more articles are coming out about the dangers of too much exercise and especially the sport of jogging. So it wouldn't surprise me to find out that marijuana and cocaine do, in fact, have legitimate medical uses. It's likely that it's a case of the federal government over reacting, as they have often done in past history. The McCarty fiasco should indeed prove that fact. The FBI nearly damaged our country beyond repair with their power hungry actions of the time. Too much federal government isn't a good thing. Oh ... you might wish to remember that come November 2012, if you're considering voting for Obama! Him and his fellow Democrats have nearly bankrupted this country, to the point, that we may never recover! I'll repeat ... too much federal government is NOT a good thing! The IRS is another example. If you want to read something really interesting, read the original charter of the IRS. Do you realize we're named as 'Volunteers' and can 'Choose' whether we wish to participate in the federal taxes annually? When was the last time you chose not to and what was the results? Good luck with that one! It wasn't that long ago that we paid our taxes to the states and the states paid the federal government. And as long as we're on the issue of too much federal government, what's the legitimate purpose for many federal government departments having their own police force? We've got the CIA, the FBI, the Federal Marshall, state police departments, etc.. Why do we need police for the IRS, the Bureau of Alcohol and Firearms, etc.??? Talk about federal government overkill! Make no mistake, our federal government has done many wonderful things, for us as citizens, but they've also over-stepped the boundaries of common sense and failed to keep federal spending to a minimum. Okay ... I've said my piece. I'll step down off my soapbox and give all of you a chance at expressing your right of free speech. Have a good day and may God continue to bless America!

 

[Sailorman]

My last bit then I leave. "Dr." Mercola is a chiropracter, not an MD. He has no training or education to make the claims he does but he sure doesn't mind getting rich playing his game. His problems range far from just the FDA. He has screwed so many people in business and healthcare he has major lawyer and Better Business Bureau issues constantly. Much of what he advocates can cause harm not cure. I know a friend of mine who was diagnosed with throat cancer and followed the whole natural approach propounded by him and his ilk. He's dead now, the cancer never slowed down. Another friend tried the same thing with her breast cancer and the cancer growth spead up. Thankfully she was smart enough to give up and get real care, it has saved her life. I know of a few other cancer fatalities from following this same stuff.

While contemporary medicine can screw up and go over board many proponents like this are quacks who make lots of money (and Mercola has made millions) misleading people. He has a heavy financial interest in what he does, just like the drug companies you condemn. Funny thing is since we departed from all those old fashioned plant based remedies we have a longer life expectancy. You may also not be aware that a very large number of the new drugs used in cancer therapy, antibiotics and many others are indeed extracted from plants. But you won't be able to eat enough of those plants to get what you need.

I myself have extreme high blood pressure. Not one of the natural remedies help, period. Modern medicine got me out of the stroke range I was in and keeps me healthy. If I followed the quacks advice I'd be dead, pure and simple.

On the subject of MS I have seen more outright blatant lies on it's causes and cures from these people than should be legally allowable. The poor folks I've known who tried to follow their advice just ended up suffering more. While we don't go in for the $60,000 a year drugs because of their side effects the drivel put out by these people is downright dangerous to follow.

On the subject of what used to be passed over the counter it was outlawed because of the wholesale destruction of lives and families that wonderful cocaine and heroin wrought. Read the history, it's there and easy to find. For many people, genetics are involved, the first dose of cocaine is addictive and very badly addictive for them. For others it just takes a little longer. It's also incredibly destructive to your health. The only modern acceptable use is as a topical anesthetic in nasal surgery in some cases. Heroin was sold over the counter as well, nothing good there. It just slowly kills you while altering your brain state and killing a little pain until the withdrawal symptoms kick in. Ever see someone go through heroin withdrawal, not pretty and there is a very high recidivism rate among cocaine and heroin addicts. This is wholesale destruction of lives and families, pot can do the same thing. Watched it with my own eyes too many times.

Pot is a psychoactive drug. Period. It effects the way your brain functions and induces narcosis. The reason someone claims to feel better is because their brain state is altered but the harmful effects will kick in, it's worse then smoking tobacco. It's chock full of carcinogenic compounds. The research and proof are there.

 

[Ma Betty in MO]

Right on Bro Martin and you just keep preaching it....anything to access is not good for man nor beast...including the USA with the out of control government that we have now and have had for quite some time! Going detecting all the time and neglecting family and home would hurt rather than help...no matter what is found of value!

I for one, like the different posts, because being by myself most of the time gives me company with my CMD Family and helps me get through the day! I am more ill than usual and need the encouragment and uplifted prayers! Anyone who is knowledgeable in the Word of God and tries to help others by saying what God has done for each of us, isn't very popular amid the worldly and those who want to do their own thing without feeling guilty, but when serving Jesus the best we can, let us do so and hopefully save some more for the Kingdom of Heaven, especially, our own who get their toes stepped on in what we say and scriptures we quote!

The straight and narrow way isn't easy to find, unless on fire for Jesus and only by knowing Him, pesonally, as our Lord and Savior! The world doesn't want to hear us but only when they need prayer and help in their trials of distress! Keep on, keepin' on for Jesus and I pray for healing in Jesus' name, Who is the great physician and who has given the knowledge of medical wisdom to drs, nurses and etc. but He is the Healer Who healeth thee and me even with man's medical care! Amen! God says: Believe faithfully and receive, for without faith no one can please Him! Amen! Ma Betty

 

[Ma Betty in MO]

So sorry to hear that you are leaving us Sailorman...I know there are plenty of Quacks in the world and I also know that some medical help and medical drugs have helped save people and I have been one of them! I do not condone illegal drugs but was just saying that we can research and do the thinking for ourselves when anything is posted for or against its usage! I have never done drugs (prescription only and penicillan has saved my life from strepp throat which makes a person very ill.)...I know for I have been there many times! I like for others to post other posts besides detecting and scripture, for I like to read but cannot read long posts without being broken up in paragraphs because my eyes get too blurry to try and read them or reading for long periods of time!

I don't care for a lot of what our government does including the FDA, the department that is for the Drug Companies and Pharmacists! As for as Drs. who prescribe by mail and the Internet, I don't have anything to do with them personally, as I see from their so called medical info that they are just promoting their own meds! I go to the dr and then he prescribes what I need whether I ask or don't ask and many times prescriptions are given me to fill that I don't take, for if I did, I would be a walking drugstore! I lean on and trust in Dr. Jesus and He has helped me through many trials...now I may die younger than what my family would like, but I will be in heaven with my Lord and Savior and that will be a good thing! I have lived a long life and when God is ready to take me Home, I am ready to go, as this earth is not my home, for I am just a traveling through to a far better one than this old sinful world could ever have unless Jesus rules and reigns over it someday!

There have been people that I have heard of that the meds and cancer treatments did not help them but studied and ate fruits and vegs by leaning on Jesus and were healed without suffering the consequences of the treatments! Most just delay for awhile, and then with the immune system weakened they get ill and die from something else, so as the old saying goes: We can't get out of this world alive unless we are raptured up unto Jesus before mortal death!

I wish you well and keep on with faith in Jesus and in May God Bless! Ma Betty

 

[Sailorman]

I'm just out of this thread Ma. I get real touchy on this because for years I've seen too many people suffer because of these medical quacks. This is not, "I heard about this person" this is people I know and have watched suffer. I've also seen too many destroy their lives with illegal drugs that they were using for "medical" purposes. I'm no liberal but there are legitimate times when the government needs to draw limits for darn good reasons. Often times the quacks get away with murder, literally, and because of the laws they get away with it. Seen it happen up close and personal. My last post on this thread for sure.

 

[Ma Betty in MO]

I understand and many do come and go...but I wish you the best life has to hold in Jesus and trusting in Him is the ultimate choice for all trials and illnesses! Amen! Ma Betty

 

[TreasureDigger]

As I stated before, I don't know anything about Dr. Mercola. Don't want to know anything about him, or any other doctor unless it's one I will be going to. I not a fan of natural remedies myself. Tried a couple of things and they did not work. However, I do know of a couple of folks that used natural medicine and cured some MINOR aliments. I don't think I would trust my life to natural medicine if I had a serious illness.

Sailorman, you are absolutely right when you say, "For many people, genetics are involved, the first dose of cocaine is addictive and very badly addictive for them. For others it just takes a little longer. It's also incredibly destructive to your health. The only modern acceptable use is as a topical anesthetic in nasal surgery in some cases. Heroin was sold over the counter as well, nothing good there. It just slowly kills you while altering your brain state and killing a little pain until the withdrawal symptoms kick in. Ever see someone go through heroin withdrawal, not pretty and there is a very high recidivism rate among cocaine and heroin addicts. This is wholesale destruction of lives and families, pot can do the same thing. Watched it with my own eyes too many times.

Pot is a psychoactive drug. Period. It effects the way your brain functions and induces narcosis. The reason someone claims to feel better is because their brain state is altered but the harmful effects will kick in, it's worse then smoking tobacco. It's chock full of carcinogenic compounds. The research and proof are there."

These are things I see and deal with every single day. I used to be a high school teacher before my career change and saw a lot of terrible things happen to some of the kids I taught as a result of drug use. I wish the outside world could come and spend a week with me as I deal with our people in recovery/rehab and work with them in the program and through the court system. It would be a real eye opener to anyone interested in doing drugs. I don't know about where you live, but around here methamphetamine (meth) use has become an epidemic. A meth addict is an awful thing to become. If they use it long enough, their teeth fall out, sometimes their hair too, they get sores all over them, it can cause strokes, heart attacks, you name it. Meth is a terribly addictive drug. If you don't have this epidemic in your area, then you are blessed.

Lisa

 

[7centsworth]

I am with sailorman on this one.

 

[Ma Betty in MO]

MO is loaded with Meth labs and druggies....I don't intend to say that illegal drugs are okay, because I don't....What I was or am trying to say that I think we should be able to post about things affecting ours and our families' lives without getting called on the carpet for it! Discussion is always best and I agree with you and Sailorman about all kinds of illegal drugs and even a lot of the legal drugs are harmful to a person's body when trying to cure or help in one area while it causes damages in other areas, so not arguing at all ....just want to be able to post on here what I and others want to discuss, that's all! As Ron always said: Peace brothers and sisters and we can always agree to disagree! Amen! Ma Betty

 

[4EverHis102399]

my cousin is married to a naturopathic MD (what actual credentials he has I don't know) and he works at a prominent natural medicine health facility in Georgia. He is constantly recommending we take this or that for various ailments and I really trust my personal MD more. My cousin, who constantly takes his supplements and cleanses, is the absolute sickest person I have EVER met. One ailment after another....she is 34 and litteraly too sickly to work. Aside from good ole baking soda and aloe, we don't use natural remedies. Even tried the whole Airborne product craze once when I felt a cold coming on...all it did for me was prolong my getting the cold. As soon as I stopped the product, the cold ran its course.

There are things posted on CMD on occasion, that don't interest me and every so often I don't agree with. As an adult, I chose to either post a reply or not. It's doubtful a single post would ever be influencial enough for me to leave the forum. It absolutely doesn't bother me that things are posted that are not related to MD'ing. In fact, I don't metal detect! No one has kicked me off here yet! It is interesting to read a variety of posts on here and as Lisa said, I wouldn't be on here if it was all MD'ing all the time. Everyones friendship and caring attitude are what's enjoyable to me. I trust that if I were to ever post anything out of line, someone would tell me about it.

Meth is the big thing here in Ky. Our dentist says he can tell if someone has done meth ONE time when he examines them. Isn't that crazy? Just imagine the damage the drug does internally to soft tissues. It makes me shudder.