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The most helpful Farmer in town!
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Mike Hillis
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Lots of cool finds, Foggy.
I don't know if three coins fused together is a hoard but it might could be a hoardette
I like the pictures.
HH
Mike
I don't know if three coins fused together is a hoard but it might could be a hoardette
I like the pictures.
HH
Mike
Hi guys
Thanks for the interest, I have an amusing update about my fused coins, I took them to my local museum on Monday but they didn't really see my vision, so I took it home and started a bit of restoration, I can now clearly see (under magnification) the outline of two different hammered coins on the flat side. On the other side I can see another hammered coin, they all look like pennies, which should be silver. It looks like 4-5 coins in total, so I'm now quite excited at the prospect of heading back down my local museum tomorrow. Mike we might be able to call this one a hoard after all, 4-5 coins in a lump, plus the really bent one pictured above and below, it's exciting stuff regardless of the out come, I'll keep you all posted guys.
Images of first part restoration (long way to go)
Regards
Foggy
Thanks for the interest, I have an amusing update about my fused coins, I took them to my local museum on Monday but they didn't really see my vision, so I took it home and started a bit of restoration, I can now clearly see (under magnification) the outline of two different hammered coins on the flat side. On the other side I can see another hammered coin, they all look like pennies, which should be silver. It looks like 4-5 coins in total, so I'm now quite excited at the prospect of heading back down my local museum tomorrow. Mike we might be able to call this one a hoard after all, 4-5 coins in a lump, plus the really bent one pictured above and below, it's exciting stuff regardless of the out come, I'll keep you all posted guys.
Images of first part restoration (long way to go)
Regards
Foggy
Hi guys
I have an interesting situation to deal with, your thoughts are welcome.....
First of all know this, it is illegal to metal detect in my country! For those of you who have been following this post, you might have noticed me tripping on the thoughts that one of my finds might actually be a hoard!
well I have been in touch with my local museum today and told them about my findings after the initial cleaning (cleaning is a slow process and on going) they are now very interested and would class this as a significant archaeological find. This should be great news for all concerned, I love my local museum, they have a great attitude and understand how to communicate, for that I give them all my finds I think they would be interested in BUT .......to make this find official, involves the national museum, by law they would have to be informed and completely take over, which not only involves me but also the farmer and his land! I could probably face legal proceedings, confiscation of my equipment, and believe me I can't afford to replace it! Have I mentioned I bloody love my F5
I'm going to speak to the farmer to see where he stands on this, then my local museum for a chat, to see if there is a way to record the hoard with everybody being happy
I feel really deflated when I should be very happy. I'll post more pics as the cleaning progresses but it is really slow.
Regards
Foggy
I have an interesting situation to deal with, your thoughts are welcome.....
First of all know this, it is illegal to metal detect in my country! For those of you who have been following this post, you might have noticed me tripping on the thoughts that one of my finds might actually be a hoard!
well I have been in touch with my local museum today and told them about my findings after the initial cleaning (cleaning is a slow process and on going) they are now very interested and would class this as a significant archaeological find. This should be great news for all concerned, I love my local museum, they have a great attitude and understand how to communicate, for that I give them all my finds I think they would be interested in BUT .......to make this find official, involves the national museum, by law they would have to be informed and completely take over, which not only involves me but also the farmer and his land! I could probably face legal proceedings, confiscation of my equipment, and believe me I can't afford to replace it! Have I mentioned I bloody love my F5I'm going to speak to the farmer to see where he stands on this, then my local museum for a chat, to see if there is a way to record the hoard with everybody being happy
I feel really deflated when I should be very happy. I'll post more pics as the cleaning progresses but it is really slow.
Regards
Foggy
Foggy, what country is this? I have gone back through your posts on this thread, and don't see where you mentioned what country you are from.
And this might sound like a dumb question but ....... if it's "illegal to detect in your country", then .... how have you been "detecting in your country" then? Sounds like no one cared, until you brought your stuff in and paraded it around museums and archies to comment on. (Moral of that story?)
I'm not sure what country you are referring to, but there's been an oft-repeated mistake, when md'rs read "dire sounding laws" of some European countries, that they think that means the entire country is off-limits. But if you read closely, those laws are usually referring to public lands. Afterall, the laws are "public", thus referring to "public lands". Therefore private lands (what the farmer chooses to do on his OWN land) is outside the scope/coverage of those laws. Or even to the extent you may be in one of those countries where "everything under the ground belongs to the crown", well then duh, that's no different than England. But as we all know, detecting goes on there all the time (and people even keep things they find) in private farmers fields. Why? Because the govt. is only keeping things (for their museums or whatever) that are significant. Ie.: caches for instance. They have utterly no interest in singular coins, no matter how ancient.
Now as I say, I don't know what country you are in, but as far as the archie you spoke to giving you scary sounding warnings, telling you it's illegal and so forth, here's my thoughts on that: What did you expect coming from an archie? They're diametrically opposed to md'ing hobbyists, so of COURSE they're going to spin things (even if stretching, and even if no one else really cares) to tell you "you can't detect". For example: State of CA (where I live) beaches can be detected till you're blue in the face, and no one cares. However, one day, years ago, a friend of mine ran into an archie who just *happened* to be at that beach that day, getting ready to speak at a museum. And my friend just *happened* to be detecting there that day. And the archie just *happened* to look down from the parking lot and see my friend on the beach. The archie walked down there and read my friend the riot act! Tried to tell my friend "you can't detect state of CA beaches", blah blah blah. Now obviously, the archie probably went back to state capitol to his desk, and the matter was probably soon forgotten about. Other such archie incidents/stories have occured here, and I suppose in other nations, along the same lines: Example: Archies from Kentucky university trying to insinuate that detecting on all public land (on every single level) in KY was "illegal". That was/is blatantly false, but do you really think you're going to win a debate with an archie?
Bottom line is: If I was you, I'd stay far from archies (unless you already know they're cool). The LAST thing you want to do, is parade your finds in front of purist archies, in ANY country, lest they spin all sorts of bologna for you.
And this might sound like a dumb question but ....... if it's "illegal to detect in your country", then .... how have you been "detecting in your country" then? Sounds like no one cared, until you brought your stuff in and paraded it around museums and archies to comment on. (Moral of that story?)
I'm not sure what country you are referring to, but there's been an oft-repeated mistake, when md'rs read "dire sounding laws" of some European countries, that they think that means the entire country is off-limits. But if you read closely, those laws are usually referring to public lands. Afterall, the laws are "public", thus referring to "public lands". Therefore private lands (what the farmer chooses to do on his OWN land) is outside the scope/coverage of those laws. Or even to the extent you may be in one of those countries where "everything under the ground belongs to the crown", well then duh, that's no different than England. But as we all know, detecting goes on there all the time (and people even keep things they find) in private farmers fields. Why? Because the govt. is only keeping things (for their museums or whatever) that are significant. Ie.: caches for instance. They have utterly no interest in singular coins, no matter how ancient.
Now as I say, I don't know what country you are in, but as far as the archie you spoke to giving you scary sounding warnings, telling you it's illegal and so forth, here's my thoughts on that: What did you expect coming from an archie? They're diametrically opposed to md'ing hobbyists, so of COURSE they're going to spin things (even if stretching, and even if no one else really cares) to tell you "you can't detect". For example: State of CA (where I live) beaches can be detected till you're blue in the face, and no one cares. However, one day, years ago, a friend of mine ran into an archie who just *happened* to be at that beach that day, getting ready to speak at a museum. And my friend just *happened* to be detecting there that day. And the archie just *happened* to look down from the parking lot and see my friend on the beach. The archie walked down there and read my friend the riot act! Tried to tell my friend "you can't detect state of CA beaches", blah blah blah. Now obviously, the archie probably went back to state capitol to his desk, and the matter was probably soon forgotten about. Other such archie incidents/stories have occured here, and I suppose in other nations, along the same lines: Example: Archies from Kentucky university trying to insinuate that detecting on all public land (on every single level) in KY was "illegal". That was/is blatantly false, but do you really think you're going to win a debate with an archie?
Bottom line is: If I was you, I'd stay far from archies (unless you already know they're cool). The LAST thing you want to do, is parade your finds in front of purist archies, in ANY country, lest they spin all sorts of bologna for you.
Hi Tom
Thanks for the interest, but I don't really talk about what part of Europe I'm in, you really need to be here to understand the laws, yes you could try and fight them but they have all their bases covered so to speak. I trust my local museum and the archaeologist who resides there, when I started this hobby it wasn't about money, it's about history and I promised myself all my finds would go to the museum to be displayed locally!
I will find a way which keeps everybody happy, thanks for the input
Regards
Foggy
Thanks for the interest, but I don't really talk about what part of Europe I'm in, you really need to be here to understand the laws, yes you could try and fight them but they have all their bases covered so to speak. I trust my local museum and the archaeologist who resides there, when I started this hobby it wasn't about money, it's about history and I promised myself all my finds would go to the museum to be displayed locally!
I will find a way which keeps everybody happy, thanks for the input
Regards
Foggy
Sure. We ALL want our items displayed. We ALL would love to contribute to museums, and have archies love us. But trust me: the fastest way to find yourself in trouble, is to go parading your finds at museums, and in front of archies. You say yourself it's "illegal in your country" (yet you don't say which country). If this were true (which as I say, is often a mis-interpretation), yet you are obviously ..... doh .... DETECTING nonetheless. And if something could be morphed to tell you "no", yet you're parading your stuff in front of archies and the museums ? I don't get it.
I work at two different museums at historical monuments. And I have learned that the LAST thing you want to do, is make big fanfair of your hobby, in front of certain people. I used to think I could ... uh ... "convert" them and have them happy to tell me good historical sites, display stuff, etc... But learned that there's a "dis-connect" between certain camps of people, and others. And I've learned that if there's even the REMOTE possibility that someone could say that I can't detect a certain place, then why oh why oh why would I go to an archie, and make-it-known .... that I detect at those places ?? I just don't get it.
It seems like the fastest way to get a law clarified, and attention and scrutiny put to you. If you're currently getting away with detecting (as perhaps no one cares in the particular location you're at), I would do everything I could to avoid anyone who might be in a position to put a stop to that. Why swat hornet's nests ?
I work at two different museums at historical monuments. And I have learned that the LAST thing you want to do, is make big fanfair of your hobby, in front of certain people. I used to think I could ... uh ... "convert" them and have them happy to tell me good historical sites, display stuff, etc... But learned that there's a "dis-connect" between certain camps of people, and others. And I've learned that if there's even the REMOTE possibility that someone could say that I can't detect a certain place, then why oh why oh why would I go to an archie, and make-it-known .... that I detect at those places ?? I just don't get it.
It seems like the fastest way to get a law clarified, and attention and scrutiny put to you. If you're currently getting away with detecting (as perhaps no one cares in the particular location you're at), I would do everything I could to avoid anyone who might be in a position to put a stop to that. Why swat hornet's nests ?
Hi guys
Still cleaning my hoard but coins are starting to show through, on the top there is definitely 3 different coin designs and on the bottom at least 2. I've included some new pics, I hope you can see the pattern of coins coming through. View the pics at full size.
Regards
Foggy
Still cleaning my hoard but coins are starting to show through, on the top there is definitely 3 different coin designs and on the bottom at least 2. I've included some new pics, I hope you can see the pattern of coins coming through. View the pics at full size.
Regards
Foggy
Cajuncoinhunter
Moderator
Good job and thanks to that farmer !!! cch
Hi guys
Some new pics, cleaning is going well but slowly.
If you look in the middle of the first pic you can see a small circle, around that circle is the pattern of a hammered coin. Small circular designs like this are starting to appear all over the flat side, suggests more coins could have been attached. It's really interesting watching it unfold.
Regards
Foggy
Some new pics, cleaning is going well but slowly.
If you look in the middle of the first pic you can see a small circle, around that circle is the pattern of a hammered coin. Small circular designs like this are starting to appear all over the flat side, suggests more coins could have been attached. It's really interesting watching it unfold.
Regards
Foggy
Hi guys
Some new pics as cleaning continues, I have also added a newly found George lll sixpence (1816-1820) a really nice find but in need of cleaning. Also my favourite bent coin, this is a copper hammered coin, still can't tell what coin or age?
The George lll came up just like the others, looks like it has a burn't coating covering the surface which is incredibly difficult to remove!
Regards
Foggy
Some new pics as cleaning continues, I have also added a newly found George lll sixpence (1816-1820) a really nice find but in need of cleaning. Also my favourite bent coin, this is a copper hammered coin, still can't tell what coin or age?
The George lll came up just like the others, looks like it has a burn't coating covering the surface which is incredibly difficult to remove!
Regards
Foggy
Hi guys
Quick update, the above George lll sixpence has actually turned out to be an old forgery, the coin is copper, the real sixpence is silver.
I have been out today for a couple of hours in blistering sunshine, found this lovely livery button and this odd looking musket ball with copper attached to the top, strange item!
Enjoy.
Regards
Foggy
Quick update, the above George lll sixpence has actually turned out to be an old forgery, the coin is copper, the real sixpence is silver.
I have been out today for a couple of hours in blistering sunshine, found this lovely livery button and this odd looking musket ball with copper attached to the top, strange item!
Enjoy.
Regards
Foggy