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The subject of Gain keeps popping up and I forgot to mention my experience with it yesterday.

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NH Bob

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I had a weak signal so tried increasing the gain to see if that made any difference. What I observed was with a high gain setting 8 there was a lot of high pitched chirps. When I lowered the gain to my normal setting of 6 I was no longer bothered with the high tone chirps.
This is just my observation from one machine.
 
I'm with you on that...I've been running Gain on 6 for a long time with good stability and great depth. Sometimes I run 7 but 8 is out of the question for ME in the ground around HERE. And we don't have any of that orange dirt (iron-rich and HORRIBLE to detect in) like they have to contend with at a lot of these CW sites in other parts of the state so I'm sure that in those areas maybe even 5 might be good.

I had somebody from here PM me and rave about running his SE at like 30 sensitivity and gain at 10 at a "VERY trashy site" and how I should try it because I'm probably missing a lot. He found a Seated Quarter and offered that as proof. I had to laugh because as I told him, he probably would have done a LOT better with those settings cut in HALF. Some people you just can't get through to though. :shrug:
 
Targets sound better to me at 8...but as you stated...it clearly chirps more....so I'm trying to get used to a lower setting (for me anyway) of 7. I am even experimenting with 6...but I can't distuinguish signals as well at that setting yet.
I read your post about finding the silver with the cursor in the top left. It's confusing because I experienced the opposite yesterday. I had a good strong signal in ferrous with gain at 7....the cursor was very stable top right corner. I even switched to digital and got consistent 00/03-27/28 and great sound..and dug up a nail...just when I thought it was starting to click?????
 
Hey Bryce,

As a matter of fact, I just got it last night. I had enough time after work to throw it on the SE, fire it up, and do a few quick tests in the backyard to see that it worked. Tomorrow I will be giving it a test at a farmfield spot that I haven't hunted before. But it HAS been hunted and turned up some LC's, Indians, etc. in the past. So it remains to be seen what's left. It's been hunted BY the best, WITH the best but as we know, no site is ever hunted out, right?

I will get some pics posted later. It's a beautiful and very well made coil. It's a quality piece all the way. It's fit and balance are good and it seems to me to be about as heavy as the 12.5" round, which is not bad. It pinpoints very nicely and it has good solid ID from what I can see on a few tested targets. Unlike the 4.5 x 7, you CAN'T max out the sens in bad ground. In my backyard it seems to want about the same amount of sens to be stable as the 12.5". Not that there's anything wrong with that...just an item of note. It seems to be a sensitive, smooth, and stable coil from the short test. Out in the "real world" I will see what she can do.
 
I used to run 5 for a long time with the XS and XSII but now like 6. Its kind of a breaking off point. Any further and it turns to crap.
 
First you said you can not distinguish between signals at gain of 6. If you will set your variability at 9 or 10 it would help you a lot. I like 9. Nails come in real squeaky.
You also said you got a nice high signal in the upper right corner and it came in at 00 30 - 27 28. The 27 28 is iron and the 00 30 is the nail as 00 31 is a Hot Rock. and 00 29 is a quarter or Large cent.
My quarter yesterday high and tight in the left is strange.
 
Bob,
I'm interested in why you like your variability at 9 instead of the max of 10. The way I see it, the more variability the better. You are getting more info from the detector that way.

Take care,
Todd
 
Have read your posts with a vested interest in determining the large coil selection for my Quattro. Decided on the 10X14 Excelerator. Took it out for about 4 hours on 2 beaches today, dry with slightly wet sand. Ran smooth with sensitivity at 19, slightly heavier than the stock coil, ID same as stock,and pinpoint is spot-on. It is plenty deep with mulitple clad at up to 12" in All Metal, with 2 pennies about 1/3 their original size. May go deeper for small objects. 4 hours isn't a very long time. I gave up on a signal after 2 feet that was probably and old can. All signals in the 30's. Also pulled a silver ring out of the same hole as some balled up aluminum foil- saw and heard the different signals, so it seems to separate well. Bottomline, it isn't coming off the machine for beach-hunting. Tempted to put one on my Excal, but would be a bear to swing in the water. May be different on land. Will try that this winter. Looking forward to reading about your experience on the Explorer.
 
Well that is encouraging to hear. I can tell you that the 12.5" Excel is a great beach and farm field coil. But if the 10 x 14 works as well or better, I seem to like eliptical coils quite a bit and will probably prefer it. I know I love the 4.5 x 7 for the trashy spots. Seems the 10 x 14 might be a little better in the shallow water than a big round coil. Most of my beach is in the wet sand and I generally use the Excal there. And on my Excal, I use the stock 10" coil. But when I had the Sovereign Elite I used the Sunray S-12 and LOVED that...great coil. I'll let you know what I think on the 10 x 14 after tomorrow.
 
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,516299,517034#msg-517034 I posted a few days ago on the falsing issue thread about this referencing a Ralph at Sunray post about falsing while using the probe.

I went out the next day and set the gain at six and my falsing/chirping.... at least for where I was hunting.... was gone. The Sunray Probe is an alternate coil so I figured just maybe it would. Worth a try anyway.


Has anyone else experimented with this?
 
Before the day had ended and I gave the higher settings a Chance, I was back to my old setting of 6 and everything was fine.
 
I keep it on 6 or 7, usually 6 when maxing out. But with that little coil, it doesn't seem to matter except under the worst of conditions. You can usually go 32 with it.
 
I think SE settings are somewhat of a personal preference, and have a lot to do with your detecting goals and the soil-substrate and type of sites you're swinging over. But it's good to hear so many opinions, as I've tried a few things and found improvement.
I use my SE mainly for 'hunted-out' sites. My main goal was/is to hear those deep/'iffy' signals amplified (even though I have good hearing). So I have the gain set at 8 or 9 (except when I work over serious black sand). And yes, that leads to 'squeaky' sounds, but over time my 'ear' gets pretty used to them, and the real targets come through.
Same goes for sensitivity. I run the SE hotter than most, I think. But again my ear gets used to the falsing. Just because falsing occurs, that doesn't mean that signals from real targets don't happen. You can pick them out, if the falsing doesn't drive you nuts first! :surrender:
 
>>> Just because falsing occurs, that doesn't mean that signals from real targets don't happen. You can pick them out, if the falsing doesn't drive you nuts first! <<<

Well that's a very good point. It really IS a matter of how much you're willing to endure. Like when I first got my Explorer II, which I had before the SE. Hunting in IM-16 drove me nuts at first but then I went back to it because not having a threshold drove me MORE nuts. SO I listen to it all now, all the time.

But as for chirps and stalk-banging falses and general instability, I haven't warmed up to that yet. So I run mine a little more conservatively MOST of the time. Point there as well is that even though you aren't jacking the thing up to the limits it will still get EXCELLENT depth and find the good stuff.

I think in many areas, depending on what's in the ground (and maybe in the air as well) when you crank it up you can mask some things that might be found otherwise. And I'm sure there are times when you can find some things that way too.

Bottom line: There are no absolutes here. It depends on several factors. The person, the coil, and the conditions. Locking ourselves into one set mode of operation (like trying to do EVERY kind of hunting with ONE coil) will limit success.
 
Like getting used to all the iron noise when you first start hunting in All Metal. I max my sen. too.
 
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