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"Cultural Resources has scattered BB's and other metal objects to distract anyone who attempts to find items with a metal detector, he said."
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They're throwing BB's and other metal trash all over the ground to keep detectorists out...
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Go ahead and call me a looter then for saving civil war relics for future generations to admire from sites that have been destroyed by the bulldozers.
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it's all about $$$$.
what they don't tell you is, this is like one of the last major camps in south stafford that hasn't been bulldozed.
but now....now that it's almost all been bulldozed, they want to save 3 acres from the "LOOTERS". not the bulldozers, from the "LOOTERS".
<img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> these people crack me up.
i'm telling you, i live right here, south stafford, it's all gone. they fricken bulldozed it all.
my house sits on a bulldozed civil war camp. sure glad those "LOOTERS" didn't get to my property before my house was built, whew!, what a relief.
what they don't tell you is, this is like one of the last major camps in south stafford that hasn't been bulldozed.
but now....now that it's almost all been bulldozed, they want to save 3 acres from the "LOOTERS". not the bulldozers, from the "LOOTERS".
<img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> these people crack me up.
i'm telling you, i live right here, south stafford, it's all gone. they fricken bulldozed it all.
my house sits on a bulldozed civil war camp. sure glad those "LOOTERS" didn't get to my property before my house was built, whew!, what a relief.
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You should fight fire with fire.
We should all carry several rolls of common date Wheaties say 200 with maybe a few nice dates mixed in and replenish spots every time we are done cleaning them out.
Later in 100 years people will be having a ball and who knows what Wheaties might be worth 100 years from now <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
We should all carry several rolls of common date Wheaties say 200 with maybe a few nice dates mixed in and replenish spots every time we are done cleaning them out.
Later in 100 years people will be having a ball and who knows what Wheaties might be worth 100 years from now <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
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Hmm looters worse than bulldozers.
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Anything that I find is proudly shown to anyone who is interested. It's history. My son is studying Colonial times right now in school and soon to study the Civil War. What a feeling when I can give him something tangable to put in his little hands to help drive the point that what he is learning is real stuff!! He has taken artifacts to school and shown the class too. That's what it's all about. Teaching the young people about our heritage. What a great and educating hobby we have. Too bad that we detectorists get the bad rap.
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Civil War camp will teach history
As archaeologists excavate Stafford school site, students will learn about Union troops who lived there.
By KELLY HANNON
Date published: 3/7/2005
Students at Stafford County's next middle school won't need permission slips to visit a local Civil War site. The journey will be a two-minute trek to their back yard.
The future school site off Deacon and Brooke roads used to be a Union troop encampment. Historians believe the camp was spread across eight acres of the 21-acre property.
Between 100,000 and 140,000 federal troops camped in southern Stafford during the winter of November 1862, until May 1863. The soldiers were mustered in preparation for the Battle of Fredericksburg on Dec. 13, 1862.
After the battle, and a brutal defeat, Union troops retreated to Stafford. They hunkered down for the winter, building wooden huts that had stone hearths. They left behind everyday artifacts such as buttons and bottles--future treasure for historians, and now students, to unearth.
"I think many children think history is something that happened somewhere else, and they read about it in a history book," said Agnes Dunn, social studies coordinator for Stafford schools.
"They're living in an area that was significant in Colonial times and the Civil War, and I think this will really give them a chance to appreciate the things that are surrounding them," Dunn said.
Stafford County Public Schools worked out an agreement with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Virginia Department of Historic Resources to preserve part of the camp.
Three acres will remain untouched by school construction, so school groups and the public may be able to tour the Civil War campground one day.
An archaeological dig is under way, led by Cultural Resources Inc. of Fredericksburg, to preserve artifacts beneath the soil.
Any finds will become property of the school system and will be displayed when the still-unnamed school opens. That's expected to happen in fall 2006.
But now, every step of the dig is being documented in pictures and video so elementary students too young to venture to the site can benefit from electronic field trips.
Stafford students will have a chance to help excavate artifacts in a few weeks, after Cultural Resources finishes with the mundane initial steps of the dig.
"We have some high school groups and history clubs interested," Dunn said.
John Cooke, principal investigator with Cultural Resources, said his research places regiments from New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania at the school site's camp.
So far, a glass-bottle fragment has been traced to a 19th-century factory in upstate New York.
In fact, there's an excellent chance anyone living east of Interstate 95 in southern Stafford is on top of a former Civil War camp, too, Cooke said.
Given the development in the area, many people have built on land once trod by soldiers.
Stafford's commitment to preserve three acres of a former camp is rare, he said.
"It's a really generous thing," Cooke said.
The middle school's construction might also stop looting of the campsite, which has occurred since Union troops left in 1863.
Minor incidents have taken place there recently, Cooke said.
Cultural Resources has scattered BB's and other metal objects to distract anyone who attempts to find items with a metal detector, he said.
Depending on what emerges from the dirt, Dunn thinks she will organize some of the artifacts into a traveling exhibit so all students can benefit from the camp--not just students at the new middle school.
"My job is going to be to figure out what are the best instructional plans to make in regard to whatever's discovered," Dunn said.
To reach KELLY HANNON: 540/374-5436 khannon@freelancestar.com
Date published: 3/7/2005
As archaeologists excavate Stafford school site, students will learn about Union troops who lived there.
By KELLY HANNON
Date published: 3/7/2005
Students at Stafford County's next middle school won't need permission slips to visit a local Civil War site. The journey will be a two-minute trek to their back yard.
The future school site off Deacon and Brooke roads used to be a Union troop encampment. Historians believe the camp was spread across eight acres of the 21-acre property.
Between 100,000 and 140,000 federal troops camped in southern Stafford during the winter of November 1862, until May 1863. The soldiers were mustered in preparation for the Battle of Fredericksburg on Dec. 13, 1862.
After the battle, and a brutal defeat, Union troops retreated to Stafford. They hunkered down for the winter, building wooden huts that had stone hearths. They left behind everyday artifacts such as buttons and bottles--future treasure for historians, and now students, to unearth.
"I think many children think history is something that happened somewhere else, and they read about it in a history book," said Agnes Dunn, social studies coordinator for Stafford schools.
"They're living in an area that was significant in Colonial times and the Civil War, and I think this will really give them a chance to appreciate the things that are surrounding them," Dunn said.
Stafford County Public Schools worked out an agreement with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Virginia Department of Historic Resources to preserve part of the camp.
Three acres will remain untouched by school construction, so school groups and the public may be able to tour the Civil War campground one day.
An archaeological dig is under way, led by Cultural Resources Inc. of Fredericksburg, to preserve artifacts beneath the soil.
Any finds will become property of the school system and will be displayed when the still-unnamed school opens. That's expected to happen in fall 2006.
But now, every step of the dig is being documented in pictures and video so elementary students too young to venture to the site can benefit from electronic field trips.
Stafford students will have a chance to help excavate artifacts in a few weeks, after Cultural Resources finishes with the mundane initial steps of the dig.
"We have some high school groups and history clubs interested," Dunn said.
John Cooke, principal investigator with Cultural Resources, said his research places regiments from New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania at the school site's camp.
So far, a glass-bottle fragment has been traced to a 19th-century factory in upstate New York.
In fact, there's an excellent chance anyone living east of Interstate 95 in southern Stafford is on top of a former Civil War camp, too, Cooke said.
Given the development in the area, many people have built on land once trod by soldiers.
Stafford's commitment to preserve three acres of a former camp is rare, he said.
"It's a really generous thing," Cooke said.
The middle school's construction might also stop looting of the campsite, which has occurred since Union troops left in 1863.
Minor incidents have taken place there recently, Cooke said.
Cultural Resources has scattered BB's and other metal objects to distract anyone who attempts to find items with a metal detector, he said.
Depending on what emerges from the dirt, Dunn thinks she will organize some of the artifacts into a traveling exhibit so all students can benefit from the camp--not just students at the new middle school.
"My job is going to be to figure out what are the best instructional plans to make in regard to whatever's discovered," Dunn said.
To reach KELLY HANNON: 540/374-5436 khannon@freelancestar.com
Date published: 3/7/2005
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I know they have a copper coating. But if they are ferrous I have Super Magnets that will lift 50 pounds.
These magnets are seriously dangerous. But they would suck BB's right out of the grass.
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These magnets are seriously dangerous. But they would suck BB's right out of the grass.
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Copper oxide levels are outlawed for Marine paints as they cause toxic results to marine environments. What other heavy metals are being induced in the childrens' environment?
Encouraging children to handle lead oxide(white coating on minnie balls) is not very healthy. There are law firms just waiting to get a piece of that action. Wonder if soil lead level surveys were done at the school site that possibly has contain hundreds of lead oxide leaching minnie balls for over a hundred years? Oh well it's never to late to get one done, if positive, what do you think might happen? $$$$($ is part of $uit) So now even more metals will show up if surveyed.
Wonder if archies know about environmental impact and liabilities due to admitting to seeding area with metals to deter detectorists. I guess risking permanent damage to a child is worth zealously justifying your position. Funny thing, environmental surveyors are just as or more zealous in finding elevated levels to justify theirs.
Introducing new and various metals create increases in galvanic reaction. Final product is metal oxides that are easier to ingest even through the skin and cause damage to developing children. like the old saying, "Let's beat them with their own stick" especially when it's from the tree they are hugging.
Encouraging children to handle lead oxide(white coating on minnie balls) is not very healthy. There are law firms just waiting to get a piece of that action. Wonder if soil lead level surveys were done at the school site that possibly has contain hundreds of lead oxide leaching minnie balls for over a hundred years? Oh well it's never to late to get one done, if positive, what do you think might happen? $$$$($ is part of $uit) So now even more metals will show up if surveyed.
Wonder if archies know about environmental impact and liabilities due to admitting to seeding area with metals to deter detectorists. I guess risking permanent damage to a child is worth zealously justifying your position. Funny thing, environmental surveyors are just as or more zealous in finding elevated levels to justify theirs.
Introducing new and various metals create increases in galvanic reaction. Final product is metal oxides that are easier to ingest even through the skin and cause damage to developing children. like the old saying, "Let's beat them with their own stick" especially when it's from the tree they are hugging.
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response to support D(VA) post and link:
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/032005/03072005/1689567
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/032005/03072005/1689567
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After reading that article about a week ago, I was so disgusted that I sent an e-mail to the author, Kelly Hannon. I have been asked to work with a local college archaeology department to go abroad in Italy to help find 7th century tombs with my detector. Why not work with detectorists to find some of the artifacts before they are all bulldozed away? Bulldozers permanently erase history, not detectorists. Isn't that school being built on public land? If so, how can you keep detectorists out? It's funny how most people think that gold coins and rings just pop out of the ground everywhere for us and we do this to make a living <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">...it's hard to make them understand that this is a hobby(for most of us)and we enjoy preserving some history too, finding artifacts before they are built or paved over forever...HH
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Archaeologists are not intersted in the historical value/archaeological value of cw sites. They want the job of babysitter/caretaker/government job. The majority of any significant archeological sites are not in the U.S. Excellent journals from soldiers as well as previous hundreds/thousands of hut excavations have given all the info ever required. The problem is in the U.S. they need employment, because the only real sites are pre-history. We are their enemy because we threaten their job/ feeling of "importance". They have fooled the public into believing we are destroying their national treasures, when encroachment by housing and industry destroys more in a month than all of us on this forum could detect and dig in 10 lifetimes. If we don't band together the academicia will B.S. us out of hunt sites.