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kirklyn

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I have a chance to pick up 2 detectors
1. Tesoro conquistador μmax 2000 model year
2. Tesoro cutlass 2 μmax 2001 model year
Both for around $200.
My problem is I am wanting a vaquero or deleon. I have a Mojave already so should I get both older detectors or one of the 2 (and which one) and the vaquero or Deleon?
I was thinking just the conquestador μmax and do the GB mod but I am not familiar with either one of these older models and what the GB mod on the conquestador would give
me in relation to a vaquero.
Thanks Kirk.
 
Never mind these are micro max units
 
While I know nothing about the two older detectors, I vote for the great and wonderful DeLeon.
Someone wrote that the DeLeon is just a Vaquero with VID. Could be so, I don't know.
 
kirklyn said:
Never mind these are micro max units

Yup. What's wrong with that? For $200, I'd take 'em, if in good shape. My favorite Tesoros say μMAX on the label.
 
Vaquero is a great machine. Can't beat it for "pick up and go". :detecting:
 
kirklyn said:
I have a chance to pick up 2 detectors
1. Tesoro conquistador μmax 2000 model year
2. Tesoro cutlass 2 μmax 2001 model year
Both for around $200.
If "Both for around $200" means you get both of these units for a total of $200, then I would go for it. However, if they are $200 each, then I would pass. For $200 you could buy a Tesoro that has manual Ground Balance which would provide you more control, versatility, and ability to swap coils without any performanc4e issues that could occur with a preset GB unit.


kirklyn said:
My problem is I am wanting a vaquero or deleon.
Of those two my personal pick would be the Vaquero. Matter-of-fact, I have a new Vaquero in my detector arsenal now to complement my Mojave, Silver Sabre µMAX [size=small](microMAX)[/size], original Bandido and Bandido II µMAX models.


kirklyn said:
I have a Mojave already so should I get both older detectors or one of the 2 (and which one) and the vaquero or Deleon?
What you haven't shared with us is why you want another Tesoro model? What type of detecting do you do, and how challenging are the hunt sites in the way of ferrous and non-ferrous trash?


kirklyn said:
I was thinking just the conquestador μmax and do the GB mod but I am not familiar with either one of these older models and what the GB mod on the conquestador would give me in relation to a vaquero.
I'm usually not a fan of modified detectors, especially when there is a comparable featured model already available. Modified units often lose some of their original appearance, and the re-sale value is also usually less than a same-condition un-modified model.

The only advantage I can see with having a 'properly' modified Conquistador µMAX is that you can toggle between the Threshold-based All Metal mode and Discriminate mode, where as with the Vaquero, if you wanted to do the same thing you would have to turn the Disc. control fully counter-clockwise until it clicked into All Metal mode, then change back and reestablish the former Disc. setting you want to search at.

The Conquistador µMAX is a good 'turn-on-and-go' model, but the Vaquero os perhaps the best of the four models you mentioned for several reasons.


kirklyn said:
Never mind these are micro max units.
I don't know what you mean by that as there's nothing wrong with a µMAX / [size=small]micro[/size]MAX detector just because it is in the dinky-sized housing. And just because it fits in the small housing, like the Vaquero, doesn't mean it is a 'micro' anything except meaning a smaller-size package which contributes to a lighter weight handy unit.

Monte
 
Out of the 4 you mentioned and with already having a pre set GB Mojave I would opt for the Vaquero. Probably Tesoros best workhorse machines, very versatile, very deep with stock and 5.75 concentric coil. In fact I haven't found a Tesoro yet and had pretty much all of them that will beat the Vaquero in depth with the 5.75 concentric. Even my Tejon.
 
Thank you for the great input. Clarification on saying micromax as opposed to umax is that they are the original and do not
have the umax branding on them and I have read the original conquistadors had issues.

I mainly hunt old house/farms, parks and some dry fresh water sand. I love my xterra but after buying
the Mojave for my daughter i just enjoyed not pushing buttons and looking at a display for once I just
turned it on and started swinging. I can get a Deleon new at a good price but think I may need to have manual
GB that's why the vaquero came into question.

Then I came across the conquistador and thought for the money and not putting the xterra
down for good it might be a good alternative for those quick outings with my daughter and her Mojave.

Thanks again Kirk
 
And yes $200 gets both not each and maybe a little less.
 
kirklyn said:
Clarification on saying micromax as opposed to umax is that they are the original and do not
have the umax branding on them and I have read the original conquistadors had issues.
Two topics here. One is the use of the 'MAX" terminology, and the other is the two Conquistador models. Let's look at them separately:

The Micro Term: When Jack Gifford used the TID pod or housing of the Toltec II to make his first smaller-size series of models, it was simply called the Sidewinder. That was produced from 4/'94 to 10/'96 and it caught a lot of interest as a light weight turn-on-and-go model. It was the only Tesoro model using that size control housing from 4/'94 until 1/'96 when Jack Gifford started a series of models using that housing, and also used a catchy name to describe these smaller packaged detectors.

The goal was to use the smaller-size components and fit them into the smaller-size control housing, yet still provide a maximum level of performance. So, the smaller components and smaller control box were a '[size=small]micro[/size]' sized packaging compared with all of the regular-sized Tesoro models or those from most competitors, and the design could achieve a maximum level of performance, thus the blended name reference was '[size=small]micro[/size]MAX' and that was / is a catchy name. I wish he would have just used normal lettering to spell this descriptive term. :rant:

Instead, as an electronics engineer, I guess he felt it interesting to use the electronic reference that means [size=small]'micro'[/size] which is the µ symbol. Note that the [size=small]'micro'[/size] symbol µ is similar to a lower-case letter u except the little 'tail' is at the left-side start of the symbol and not at the right-side end of the letter. It is simply a symbol and NOT a letter. It is to be pronounced 'micro' for the symbol or term that it is, and not 'you' for the letter that is isn't. You can do a cut-and-past of the [size=small]'micro'[/size] symbol, or is you ha s right-hand numeric keypad use the ALT key and type 230 and it will type the proper µ symbol.

Some people SAY the description as u-MAX or U-MAX and you hear You-MAX .... all of which are incorrect. It isn't you-MAX, it is [size=small]micro[/size]MAX. Therefore I generally use the written pronunciation of [size=small]micro[/size]MAX in a forum post, or or a mix of that and the electronic symbol µMAX.


The Model Name: The first small or 'micro-sized' housing Tesoro introduced, as I mentioned, was the Sidewinder in 4/'94. There were no more produced in that housing until 1996 when we saw a trend to offer a bigger assortment of models and a change in the naming of the models. Tesoro used three methods of naming them, starting with the µMAX Cutlass in 1/'96, and at that time they started to describe the µ symbol, and how to properly pronounce the name prefix of µMAX as [size=small]micro[/size]MAX to describe the smaller-size control housing that offered MAXimum performance.

Models with that housing, in the order they were first produced, included the following:

4/'94 Sidewinder

1/'96 µMAX Cutlass

2/'96 µMAX Sidewinder

3/'96 µMAX Bandido

4/'96 µMAX Diablo

10/'97 Both the Bandido II µMAX and Silver Sabre µMAX

2/'98 Cutlass II µMAX

2/'00 Conquistador

5/'00 Compadre

9/'00 Golden µMAX

3/'01 Both the Conquistador µMAX and Eldorado

5/'01 Euro Sabre

?/'04 Both thee Cibola and Vaquero

Notice the three differences? Some models have only a name with no µMAX associated with it, such as the original Sidewinder, the first Conquistador, the Compadre, Eldorado, Euro Sabre, Cibola and Vaquero. All of these models used the same small housing, and all operated in a related frequency range and shared all search coils except for the Cibola and Vaquero

When the reference to µMAX was first used, and in order with the 1/'96 µMAX Cutlass, µMAX Sidewinder, µMAX Bandido and µMAX Diablo, the [size=small]micro[/size]MAX reference was at the beginning of the model name. Then starting with the popular Bandido II µMAX and Silver Sabre µMAX the [size=small]micro[/size]MAX reference was assigned to the end of the model name. Also, since then it has been more-or-less a standard custom to refer to all of these models with µMAX at the end of the name.

About Model Glitches, especially with the Conquistador series: There were some issues with the preset GB Sidewinder series that I noted that caused operational problems, and that was this. If you increased or decreased the Discrimination setting from where it was when the internal GB trimmer was set, you also shifted the GB setting. It could decrease the GB setting, possibly causing a lot of falsing if it was shifted too negatively, or increase the GB level to a more positive setting. So positive that it could possibly no longer detect and respond to higher conductive targets such as silver dollars or half-dollars or even worse.

When the 'original' Tesoro Conquistador was introduced [size=small](Tesoro was not the first to use the name Conquistador as that was used by White's in the late '60s to about '70/'71)[/size] it also had that same Disc. control / Ground Balance shift glitch. The Conquistador, without the µMAX on the control face and decal name, was only produced from 2/'00 to 2/'01, and the Conquistador with the µMAX in the decaled name came out in 3/'01. However, the design glitch was discovered and addressed so the Conquistador µMAX doesn't have that adjustment problem. Prior to the Conquistador µMAX release, some of the latter Conquistador production models were using the new µMAX circuit board which means they worked properly and a change in the Discriminate control no longer made a pronounced shift in the Ground balance adjustment.


kirklyn said:
I mainly hunt old house/farms, parks and some dry fresh water sand. I love my xterra but after buying
the Mojave for my daughter i just enjoyed not pushing buttons and looking at a display for once I just
turned it on and started swinging. I can get a Deleon new at a good price but think I may need to have manual
GB that's why the vaquero came into question.
There are couple of fortunate opportunities. One being able to hunt some old places like that as well as parks and the like. Burt the better opportunity you relate is sharing this enjoyment with your daughter. I hope she continues to enjoy detecting and grows to spend more time together with you out hunting some sites.


kirklyn said:
Then I came across the conquistador and thought for the money and not putting the xterra
down for good it might be a good alternative for those quick outings with my daughter and her Mojave.
As I stated, the X-Terra models are OK, but I much prefer any of my all time favorite Tesoro models, and that includes the Mojave. Very often I grab one to hunt with rather than one of my preferred TID models. There's something about Tesoro's design and function that is just enjoyable and tough to compete with.


kirklyn said:
And yes $200 gets both not each and maybe a little less.
I hope you snapped those up! If not, e-mail me the way to do it and I will.

Monte
 
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