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Threshold Tone...VERY important question....

Hotcz70

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What are your experiences when messing with the threshold tone? I believe it is factory set at 5 on the SE. I dropped it down to one for a few hours the other day to experiment and it made a huge difference. It made it much easier to distinguish good coin sounds from junk to me. The iron produced a lower "grunt" while the coins produces a very high pitch instead of the normal squeal.
Please let me know of your personal preferences and opinions on this matter before I get "hooked" on the threshold tone at 1 if there are disadvantages from the factory 5 setting.
 
My thinking on this is if you can hear a little threshold tone you are more likely not to miss that deep old coin you've been waiting to unearth. If you're clad hunting or in new ground then I would guess you are okay. Look at the manual on threshold tone and see the diagram showing positive and negative tones.
 
There was a discussion on lowering the threshhold tone on this forum about 8 months ago (see link below). I lowered mine and liked it so I left it there.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,353993,353993#msg-353993
 
What I was looking for. I have been running my threshold tone on 2 on my SE and it makes a difference for me. It seems like settings of 4 or 5 cause the signal to break up somewhat. 3 was better than 4 or 5...but 2 is what sounded more solid and where I have been staying. After viewing the link you posted...It was nice to see the post from Charles (Upstate NY) that pretty much sums up what I was finding on my own.
 
as well. I have been experimenting with that too and like you stated...it seems best with a slight hum.
Thanks and HH.
-Bryce
 
I guess if you were in all metal, iron mask wide open, you wouldn't need a threshold.
 
My findings were that 'no' threshold was not for me. I need to know where targets are not as much as I need to know where they are, a threshold tells me that. Iron and trash can cast a large shadow masking good targets. Once a site has been cherry picked of easier targets picking off good targets hiding in these shadows is the game we have on at sites I hunt.

Regarding lowering the threshold tone from 5 to say 2, that is something I have not been able to test since I posted that message. I was 100% occupied with remodeling my house last year, I finished December 10th and its been frozen solid in the NE since then.

I will be testing this this year. I thought it was one of the most interesting observations anyone has made about the Explorer in quite a while. I do know that wheat cents give notoriously broken and poor signals with my normal setup. But before anyone gets too excited, I have learned that with the Explorer one has to have the discipline to test a theory both ways before taking a position that A+B=C.

So far we hear of field observations that signals that were broken with a threshold tone of 5 sound crisp and clear with a threshold tone of 2. That is encouraging however is the reverse also true? Lets say you have a clear crisp signal with your threshold tone at 5, what happens if you lower the threshold to 2? Maybe nothing, maybe its still good or maybe the signal turns to crap. It has been my observation that nothing is quite 100% with the Explorer. You make an observation with a particular setup or approach, the observation proves true perhaps most of the time but if tested long enough exceptions to the rule emerge.

Take rusty crown caps and silver quarters and half dollars. If you disc out rusty crown caps sometimes the silver will ID in its correct location with no hint of the nearby rusty crowncap. And if you switch to all metal sometimes it will lock onto the rusty crowncap so strong that there is no hint of the silver. So is the rule of thumb then to always disc out rusty crowncaps? No because sometimes the oposite is true, all metal will let you get a signal on the silver and if you disc out the crowncaps you get a null with no hint of the silver. The same can be true with rusty nails. Sometimes all metal is your friend, most of the time in fact, but there are exceptions where discriminating out iron produces a much improved signal versus all metal.

So in this case of lowering the threshold tone I advise caution. It looks promising but I have proved myself wrong too many times to jump to a conclusion and say that is the way to run the machine 100% of the time. Still its exciting to know there are still mysterious inner workings of the Explorer to chart.

Now with all that said here's something new. Someone reported to me recently that while the Explorer ID'd a silver dollar correctly, even several silver dollers correctly, it ID'd a stack of 10 silver dollars as iron, and in an air test for crying out loud. Cursor location was lower left of the screen. Go figure that one.

Charles
 
assuming I'm talking about threshold and not the threshold tone.
I did just that...I dropped the tone down from the factory preset of 5 down to 2 and it has made a world of difference on being able to distuinguish good targets from bad ones. I always run with a slight threshold..you have to. I'm talking about the threshold tone however...not the threshold. With the threshold tone down to 2 the good tones sound better and the not so good tones have a lower pitch and are more easily distinguishable.
I would be anxious on your personal results as compared to mine. It honestly made a huge difference for me and my threshold tone...not threshold will be staying at 2 from now on.
 
Thanks for your answer Charles, lot of good info. This Explorer is like a woman isn't it. One minute you have it figured out next, you don't have a clue. My SE will show different locations for Wheaties and Indians by as a much as a third of the screen at two different sites less than a mile from one another. It's enough to drive you mad. Changing a setting can cause that signal to bounce even further. I think the only way one can get a true bearing on the subject is to try and consistently use the same settings for a while and then experiment with one setting at a time, problem is you move to a different site with different mineralization and moisture content and you are back to square one. Just slightly frustrating. Anyway, I really appreciate you knowledge. I have seen people post about your articles you have written and would love to read them if you've got a link. I have this one site, that's pretty well been pounded for years but when I was using my ten I dug a couple deep iffy's that turned out to be early wheat's, so I put on my fourteen and specifically concentrated on deepies and started pulling Indians at ten to twelve, fun pulling them between trash. I want to get a bigger coil to make some of those a little clearer sounding, thinking about a wot, do you know if they make a concentric? Who do you buy them from? Appreciate your advice. Good hunting to you.:detecting:
 
to clean up the signal quite a bit on a good target. Not near as choppy as when I had the tone at 5. It's really strange that these little trial and error things can make a big difference...but that's the explorer and it makes it fun. I'm not saying that it would make a difference for everyone...but it sure did for me and I think I'll leave my tone at 2 from here on out.
 
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