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Tried something new with DP...it worked!

Well I skimmed all these post for settings and here is what I came up with. I didn't reread all word for word so if I missed any let me know.

Detectors F70 / F75
Tone DP
Sensitivity @ 75, 30, 40, 49, 60
Disc @ 15, 55
Processor @ DE
Threshold @ -1, -2, -3 all for the F70
Notches none and nickels

So once the list is complete, what could we take from all that to make some basic settings?

Ron and it is raining in WV
 
WV62 said:
Well I skimmed all these post for settings and here is what I came up with. I didn't reread all word for word so if I missed any let me know.

Detectors F70 / F75
Tone DP
Sensitivity @ 75, 30, 40, 49, 60
Disc @ 15, 55
Processor @ DE
Threshold @ -1, -2, -3 all for the F70
Notches none and nickels

So once the list is complete, what could we take from all that to make some basic settings?

Ron and it is raining in WV


On my F70 where I can adjust the thresh in disc I have tried -3 up to +5.
I have used sense from 30 in extreme trash up to about 85.
I notched in nickels a few times, foil too.
Disc is usually on 6, not much difference down to 1 and I have also tried 23 and pure cherry picking up to 65.
Used the big DD coil on most, the concentric I like better using multi tones.

Depth was pretty decent on all settings, here if I can get to the 6-8" area there is good stuff hiding, lots of it less at 4-5".
I can get further than 8" but that is rare and any I have dug have been iron.
Almost everything is super jumpy here past 2-3" but using DP I seem to be getting some much more stable behavior and locking on to 1-2 numbers on some targets at 4" and deeper which is a nice change for me.
I have boost in disc and I have switched back and forth a lot checking targets at all depth levels and I seem to hit the deeper ones just as well without it as with it.
Not really aiming for 10+" here either but DE is faster and a fast speed seems to matter in infested sites.
FA might work great but I don't have that so I make do.

That cherry picking high 65 disc...I went back over sections I had just hit on lower disc with much more happening and found a few coins I missed...easily.
The noise factor seems to be important here...the least useless signals you get helps to home in on and recognize the good ones when you get them so quiet operation AND cutting out many other distracting targets seems to be the best balance depending on what you are looking for.
Like balancing the sense and thresh...there might be optimum settings for each different site if you can hit on them but the basics still work pretty well, too.
I use these to find old coins, remember here deep nickels still come in high because around iron they also up average into higher than 65 numbers...but I want to find gold too so using that 65 disc all the time for me is not an option.


This is all about unmasking for me, getting any signals that don't jump much and stay in a repeating range of numbers at least from 2 ways...and it seems to work pretty well.
I am finding targets in many sites I have hunted before that I missed, anyway.

This is a guy out in California. on another forum who has been using an F75 for about 7 months.
His first detector I believe.
He has found some good stuff in that time but when he first came on he was looking for advice about hunting one special pre 1850 site he has access to that is filled with trash and about a million small iron nails.
A little bit of mineralization too because he GB's in the low 70's there.
At that time I gave him some setting advice about hunting in iron using either my all metal blast through settings or Dankowski's monotone and disc on 6 method to try.

A few days ago he contacted me in a pm and asked for a little more advice again.
He liked using multi tones mostly when he hunted in other sites, worked well for him but he was pretty frustrated about this special site because after 7 months hunting it he has found nothing.
In other iron heavy sites the same problem...He was digging a ton of targets but any good ones he rarely came across he counted as luck, he just dug signals and hoped for the best.
On top of that he hunts with a friend with 7 years in the hobby using a Whites unit and he keeps finding silver all over these sites while he doesn't.
I referred to that reply I gave him months ago about hunting in iron and also told him about my newest adventures using DP.
He went back and re-read that older post which didn't make much sense to him as a newbie but now does with more experience and also I sent him info about this DP tone stuff.
I came to find out as well as multi tones worked for him in his other more open trash and iron free sites he just used it at these iron heavy sites too...which was a problem.
I told him I understand why, it doesn't matter what model F75 he had, old, new, DST or not the high tone falsing he was getting had to be a big issue confusing everything and disguising the actual good signals if and when he got them.
Plus using the big DD coil through all of this didn't help.
The other day with renewed vigor and a bit more setting understanding he went back to that old site once more and he picked this DP method to try for the first time.
Then he posted this...

CaveCitySlayer

"A few days ago I asked REVERE for advice using my F75. I haven't done horrible with it but my buddy with a Whites MX Sport has consistently outperformed me. Today I went over to a homestead from pre-1850 that I have struck out at for the last 7 months. After 1 hour the results can't be a coincidence. I have passed through this area 100 times and found nothing. Today I yanked out 3 coins. 1954 Washington, 1957 Rosie, and 1929 Wheatie! I'm looking forward to going back out and seeing what else I have missed! Settings: Sense 80, Disc. 6, Tone DP, and a stock DD coil. I also found a pocket watch from 1908 but it's pretty busted. Now I'm curious what my 5" coil wil do out there..."

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Brand new with DP, spent an hour in which site which confused the heck out of him in multi tones for 7 months and found nothing but with this method he found 3 keepers.
He isn't even as good as he will get in the future with more practice and then I assume the sniper coil is going to make things even easier.

There is something to this and it appears I am not the only one that is experiencing this.
 
Here are three situations where DP really helped...

This is a total of the targets I found on a morning hunt yesterday.
A few coins came from my scoured local park, so dif that cool old knife, but most of these coins came from some permission lawns that I walked over on my walk home.
I have been over these lawns a ton, lots of directions, different coils, settings even a couple of detectors.
This time using DP AND the sniper coil most of these targets popped up and most were masked but easily noticed.
My soil is tricky with red clay mineralization, even the black stuff GB's pretty high and there are pieces of iron everywhere which does a lot of masking.
If these lawns were in Kansas I am pretty sure I would have found most of them long ago but here it is much more challenging even on the shallow stuff.
This setup with the small sniper made these signals pretty obvious.


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Here is a dime I found in one of those lawns.
The hole I dug was not wide, maybe 3", before I got the three pieces of iron out of this small hole first then the dime.
This iron had to be surrounding the coin, one piece might have bern above it.
I had been over this exact spot before and I can guarantee you that but no matter what settings or coils or detectors I used I missed this dime every time.
This signal was not exactly great, a little jumpy, not exactly what I look for even using DP but there was something in this mixed signal that made me dig it...some repeating high numbers although extremely quick.
I believe the big difference that helped me find this dime this time was using DP tones.


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In the afternoon another quick hunt.
This site was a small strip of land that used to have a few old houses but were knocked down.
I have been here many times, found very little but modern clad using multi tones, all metal and low disc and monotone.
A few weeks ago I did find an old wheat in an area that is near the front steps in the front lawn of one of the houses using maxed out thresh in disc but nothing old has ever shown up before or since.
A few hunts after I hit this area with the F70 again and a couple of coils, used different settings and even tried the Red Racer twice with two different coils.
Nada...
This time I tried DP and just ran around this site looking for just one good signal.
I got a huge one in the same area near that other old wheat.
It was high and loud and painted pretty big in the ground like a full smashed can or a big iron piece but moving the coil around the area a couple inches away I seemed to get another with some repeating high numbers and tones.
This was actually kind of classic iron behavior, low when you get the coil over iron but on the outskirts of that iron, even a few inches away, there is usually falsing into the high range.
I thought that was what this was at first but moving the coil around the area I still got some pretty decent repeating high number high tone behavior.
Using the pinpointing feature and looking at the depth number changes as I moved from one spot to the other I noticed there were two targets here although pretty close together both at about 4" deep.
The soil was pretty moist here too due to having some pretty good amount of rain the day before so I believe the conductivity of all targets I dug on these hunts were heightened.
That might have had something to do with me being able to find all these targets but this DP stuff seemed to be working just as well before the rain, also.

I went after the smaller target first and I was actually a little shocked that a coin popped up.
A really dirty crusty cent...I hoped it was an Indian head but it was a wheat when I scrubbed it clean enough to ID it.
Then I went after the big target still expecting a big can but again was surprised when a smaller piece of iron cake up instead.
Pretty thick on one end though, and fairly heavy.
The separation in the pic below is not exactly right...add about one more inch of separation between the two but the moist soil definitely helped bleed the iron signal over to the area of the coin if only in those high perimeter falsing kind.



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So far DP seems to be working pretty well for me, as I continue to practice I think I am getting better, sensing more, noticing more.
Now I have at least three good methods I can use to hunt in iron and heavy mineralization.
Like changing coils using all of them at certain sites could just increase my chances of finding the better masked targets.
All three methods work pretty well but when I go back and hit sites again with another I seem to find more.
There might be an overlap here, or it could be in some cases what one method might miss another can find more easily.
Using all three when I have the time I think my chances for success have gotten better.

Still experimenting...not done yet but now I know that DP and the sniper coil seems to be a deadly combination.
 
You are correct REVIER, the DP tones is a very special function. It too has opened up many old hunted out sites for me.
 
markg said:
You are correct REVIER, the DP tones is a very special function. It too has opened up many old hunted out sites for me.

All thanks to you, Mark.
I played with it some before, I know others like mudpuppy only use this choice but usually he just looks for mega clad amounts and shallow jewelry.
Others have stated over the years in posts I have read that they use this all the time but never explained exactly how they used it...just that they did.
For me I put it on the back burner while I learned other settings, tones and combinations.
Then I read your thread where you went into detail about using three different detectors in a site that sounded like the kind of situations I live in and how the unmasking speed and tones on the Deus can be sort of duplicated on a Fisher and what it could do.
That impressed me...big time, and what started me on this journey to learn as much as I can about this method that you so eloquently put down for all to read.
I did, I got it, I tried it with a few tweaks and know it works and works well.
I tried to spread the word and give you full credit when I do.
I am sure CaveCitySlayer thanks you too.
He spent seven months in a difficult site with nothing to show then one hour with DP and success.

This is a huge reason I spend times on the forums...to learn and get better.
You did exactly that for me so again thanks for the thought and time to put all this down
I hope one day I can return the favor.
 
Okay I am confused lots of setting float around on this post.

Now I have such a site, that gave up a pretty good showing of silver. Early last year we expanded are range just a little and found a few silvers. Now we went back several times and now we can hunt in there all day and not find a single coin.

Now the soil is not a problem but being this was a old picnic are in the wooded area of the park it kind like hunting in trash land fill.

For the most part are good silver was not all that deep, most were within 4" of the surface.

So I know there is still some good silver left in there, and it is my guess it is mask by the trash.

You guys know I run the F75Ltd that has the boost processor, now if I was to return and try to take out some more of that silver without just taking out the trash. What would be my best equipment setup and settings? I also have a pretty good stock of coils, 11"DD, 5x10 DD, 10" concentric, 6.5" concentric, NEL snake, and the 5"DD.

Ron in WV
 
If it is a small area I would use the 5 stock coil. Set Disc 65 Notch 27, Sens (as high as stable), and FA processor. 1N Tones. THis works for me.
 
I don't have any of those processes on mine so I can't give an opinion about that.
If they work for one they will probably work to another so try them.

Here is what has worked for me in sites like that.
DP seems to work in trash as well as in iron so...
5" DD coil, DP, disc anywhere you want but you need to hear the quick high tones so the higher you go the less distracting noise of trash targets to deal with.
Even 65 on disc works well to help pick out the better high stuff.
Sense as high as you can get it with the least noise, you can try boost but DE speed is faster and should hit silver fine if it is there at shallow depths up to 6-8".

Method 2..
Monotone, disc on 6...maybe you can go higher but I usually use 1and learned to watch the numbers close and listen hard and sort it all out with my brain.
Sense up there but keep it quiet if you want.
Again DE speed is faster than boost and that helps.
Sniper coil.

Method 3...all metal blast through settings.
All metal, sense at 90-99, thresh from 6-9, DE speed, also a sniper coil.

On all methods move the coil slow and look for blocks of numbers that stay high and repeat from two directions.
You might not get any solid numbers in mineralized soil or sites with lots of trash or iron so blocks of numbers with a range of up to about 6 or so that stay high is what you look for.
Forget normal coin ranges too if there is a good amount of iron, the numbers might soar higher than usual.

The only processes I have are DE speed and SL boost slower speed.
Using any of these with extra processes like FA or 1N they might work even better but you will have to find that out for yourself.
Even without them all of these methods work for me very well...with a bit of practice.
 
Well guys I guess I messed up. With some talk in the above post about DP opening up old hunted out sites I was kind of thinking I would get some settings using DP.

I have ran all my coils in this old wooded picnic area which is about size of 2 football fields. I have also ran the DE, FA, JE, and boost, processors with sensitive high and low. As for disc I started off running at 65 and I have backed down to 60. When I started running disc 60 I started getting a few wheat pennies.

There have been 3 of us brothers hunting it with different detectors, F75, F5, F70, 1270, 1266x, Omaga, and Tesoro Tejon's. We were finding silver in there for about 2 summers of hunting and at the start of last summer the silver stopped. The silver coins ranged from 4 half $'s, several quarters and a bunch of dimes. I found 2 of the half dollars and my brothers each got one and my brother with the F5 with the 11"DD coil is way ahead on the total number of silver coins found.

We have since spent several full days of hunting in there without a single coin being found. We have even taken tools in there and cleaned some of the brush thinking we may find another honey hole.

I have ran single tone, 3, 3H, 4 and 4H but not DP in that area. I was thinking I would like to give some setup using DP tones and see what happens.

Ron in WV
 
That is some very impressive finds REVIER.
:clapping:
 
WV62 said:
Well guys I guess I messed up. With some talk in the above post about DP opening up old hunted out sites I was kind of thinking I would get some settings using DP.

I have ran all my coils in this old wooded picnic area which is about size of 2 football fields. I have also ran the DE, FA, JE, and boost, processors with sensitive high and low. As for disc I started off running at 65 and I have backed down to 60. When I started running disc 60 I started getting a few wheat pennies.

There have been 3 of us brothers hunting it with different detectors, F75, F5, F70, 1270, 1266x, Omaga, and Tesoro Tejon's. We were finding silver in there for about 2 summers of hunting and at the start of last summer the silver stopped. The silver coins ranged from 4 half $'s, several quarters and a bunch of dimes. I found 2 of the half dollars and my brothers each got one and my brother with the F5 with the 11"DD coil is way ahead on the total number of silver coins found.

We have since spent several full days of hunting in there without a single coin being found. We have even taken tools in there and cleaned some of the brush thinking we may find another honey hole.

I have ran single tone, 3, 3H, 4 and 4H but not DP in that area. I was thinking I would like to give some setup using DP tones and see what happens.

Ron in WV

DP...disc on 60 since it worked before...DE speed...sense high until you get chatter but keep it quiet.
The less falsing the better.
Move the sniper coil really slow, crawl around small areas.
Listen for very short quick signals, watch the screen for numbers or could be blocks of numbers that repeat maybe in a range of 6 numbers.
In my sites I get no solid numbers at 4" or more, they are usually in a range from like 88-94.
These tones in zinc and higher might be really quick and shorter than you experienced in all the other setting combinations you have tried.
If you hear one stop and move the coil around the area after pinpointing the exact spot of the suspected target and with really short fast side to side swipes from more than one direction see if the tone and numbers repeat at all, if they do...dig.
I wish I could be there and show you how this works, if I got one good signal you would learn this in 30 seconds.
You get signals of all kinds using all setting combinations, using DP it just might have a tiny bit more unmasking ability around iron and trash, maybe a little better way to catch a small piece of something good masked by junk.
The key us the real slow coil movements and learning to notice the very quick and short tones you can get.
The VDI is tied directly into the tones on this one, no lag time like you might get on the others as imperceptible as that lag time may be.
The capper is those short swipes over the target listening to the fast repeating tone while watching those numbers to make sure they stay high and repeat.
 
Revier,

Very good write up, now I got a pretty good mental picture of what to try and what to expect.

Thanks much,

Ron in WV
 
markg said:
That is some very impressive finds REVIER.
:clapping:

Those are great, they show I am learning this method.
However one of the very first times I tried DP something unbelievable happened.
I was in an area with a ton of junk I had never hunted before.
This part of the park had to be a dump at one time because there were lots of huge targets here, car, motorcycle and house parts that I dug on later hunts.
Screaming loud signals here and there, tabs and other trash to plus small pieces of iron all over that is everywhere around here.
The ground was rock hard because we were in drought, I was not digging anything past 1" or so because it was just too hard to dig, this hunt was mostly about looking for future spots to hunt when conditions got better.
It only took 5 minutes till I got a signal I never had before...ever.
It sounded high and solid, it repeated with those short swipes, I got really solid numbers that rarely happen here that never wavered from 98-99 on every pass.
The depth reading said 4" but even though I knew it wouldn't be easy I decided to dig it just to see what it was.
I was thinking nothing but junk the whole way, the target painted big maneuvering the coil around the area using the pinpoint, not flat can big but a bit smaller like a can stomped on and flattened vertically.
I was sure this is what it was or some other piece of junk like a big aluminum slug, ingot or something...this area did have some weird huge junk all around just below the surface.

I dug down and did recover something at 4" but it was not junk...it was way better.
I mention DP tones have been lucky for me and this is why.
If I get real good with it I hope to get lucky again.
 
WV62 said:
Revier,

Very good write up, now I got a pretty good mental picture of what to try and what to expect.

Thanks much,

Ron in WV

Not hard to learn...once you get the first good signal and notice the behavior that you are looking for.
CaveCitySlayer used it for one hour in a difficult site he said he hit 100 times and found nothing.
Never used this before, mostly he used 4H there and everywhere else, but the first hour he did he found three good targets.

It sounds like you guys cleaned up your site pretty good but if there are any masked and hidden stragglers hopefully this method will find them.

You guys are only about 600 miles from my house, if I ever get an invite I would love a shot at that site sometime.
 
Open invite, if you are going to be in or near let me know and we will work in a day or two of hunting. Bring a small shovel we can use them in this wooded area of the park.

Best time of year is early summer and fall to avoid the weeds and bugs/snakes.

That would be a very interesting hunt and I bet my brothers would join in. My brothers forum names MarkCz (Mark with a F70) and Still looking 52 (Greg with the F5).

Ron in WV
 
Last night I setup the F75 with the 5" DD and the NEL snake with the settings you suggested for some air testing. The one thing that I was wondering about was that really slow sweep speed and how much if any it would cut down on depth.

It wasn't as bad as I expected, but both coils lost about an inch with the slow sweep speed.

I tried both DE and FA and the FA processor was about an inch less than the DE. So with the slow sweep speed I was getting between 5 and 6 on a silver dime, not to bad.

So now I am just waiting on a break in honey do and the weather and I will be back to that wooded area in the park for some testing.

Ron in WV
 
WV62 said:
Last night I setup the F75 with the 5" DD and the NEL snake with the settings you suggested for some air testing. The one thing that I was wondering about was that really slow sweep speed and how much if any it would cut down on depth.

It wasn't as bad as I expected, but both coils lost about an inch with the slow sweep speed.

I tried both DE and FA and the FA processor was about an inch less than the DE. So with the slow sweep speed I was getting between 5 and 6 on a silver dime, not to bad.

So now I am just waiting on a break in honey do and the weather and I will be back to that wooded area in the park for some testing.

Ron in WV

In my soil I am actually getting surprisingly deep with DP and DE using DD coils.
Some more solid non jumping numbers on 4" targets, actually pretty unusual behavior in this dirt.
I do switch back and forth between DE and boost and with boost it is possible I do get a little deeper or slightly clearer signals on the deeper ones at 6"+ but I usually check these targets using both and I believe I am hitting most targets close to the same.
DE is faster, overall better for this method to notice those quick tones better.

The other day using the sniper coil I pinpointed a couple of targets way, way deep...like 9, 10 and one repeating target at 12".
These showed iron and I didn't dig them but I probably should have.
These might have been small iron pieces that were much more shallow and not anywhere that deep but I don't think so...I believe these were actually iron targets that deep.
I think I was using boost at the time, this will work using that too but again...really slow movements of the coil is mandatory.
That fast sweep thing Fishers do to lock on and ID deep targets better thing...forget that.
This has nothing to do with this method from what I can see, not in mineralized soil or areas with lots of trash or iron, the few targets I tried it on were invisible with a fast swing speed over them...this is all about slow to get some small piece of the better targets.
Going slow in dirt I suspect is not even as good as yours I am still hitting really masked good hidden targets at the 6"+ area...so far.
That is about the level of most good deeper targets here but I have found a few in the past that were a bit deeper so I hope to come across another one soon and I will try both DE and boost to see in there is a difference plus check them using other settings to compare.

I thought all metal or monotone would be the deepest here but those depth readings at 9-12" kinda shocked me.

Air testing is fine but sometimes in the real world things might work different...and better.
Go slow...I think you may be surprised at the results.
 
I got a 1900 barber and 1834 CB dime both with the 5 inch stock. Missed the barber with the stock coil. That 5 inch stock always amazes me. Try FA process with the 5 inch stock. I t will unmask like crazy. I think it can go at least 6 inches in FA and maybe 7+ in other conditions. I use 1N a lot so I do not have to hear all the Iron. You will hear the quick beep and then open it up to de or je and find that target. I also have a Sunray probe. I always have to switch from FA to BP because the FA is too fast to use the sunray probe.
 
nalc472 said:
I got a 1900 barber and 1834 CB dime both with the 5 inch stock. Missed the barber with the stock coil. That 5 inch stock always amazes me. Try FA process with the 5 inch stock. I t will unmask like crazy. I think it can go at least 6 inches in FA and maybe 7+ in other conditions. I use 1N a lot so I do not have to hear all the Iron. You will hear the quick beep and then open it up to de or je and find that target. I also have a Sunray probe. I always have to switch from FA to BP because the FA is too fast to use the sunray probe.

Yes, by all means try those processes if you have them, they might make it all work better.
If ya got em, use em...or try them out, anyway.
I don't but that's ok, what I am doing seems to work pretty good and my head is almost exploding trying to remember the many combinations I have up there stored already.
I make do with what I have to work with and I can up my thresh in disc if I want and I do if I can keep my rig quiet but that doesn't happen at all sites so I stay in the negative in those areas.
I still have a million combinations to explore so I am happy.
Simple settings for a simple thinker, I guess.
 
Sorry folks. This is a dummy entry to get it off the NEW Entry category. This may only apply to me. Sorry if it causes any problems.
 
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