UK T2 Field Test

[JBM]

One of the UK dealers is carring out a field test with the T2 and

his report will be posted on his Web Site for us all to see during January.

Gary UK is a very experienced detectorised and as straight as they come.

Iam sure that his report will be refect all aspects of this exciting detector for prospective buyers to read.

If he confirms what has already been stated by current users I will buy one as Iam sure so will many others.

If it really outguns my Explorer SE then it will become my number 1 detector and I will pocket the difference.

Until then I will keep an open mind but continue to enjoy reading your posts.Jerry.

 

[JM]

the users from the UK ,ARE GETTING GREAT RESULTS ,without a dealer popping his oar in, JBM, this detector has been in the UK nearly 12 months, a bit late in the day for this ,I personally would not sit on the fence at your age 72 you may never get to use one ,so instead off posting on all forums about the T2, is it any good , GO BUY ONE ,sure you would find it a dream to use after that big log the explorer se, there are a fair few using this detector with great results, without field tests, from someone who does not post any thing useful just sly digs at others ,was Gary the guy who firstly dismissed the T2 as not very good, now where going to have field tests from him, hardly the one I would listen to , Toddy ,Coenwolf, Blue ,Stu Matt just to name a few ,are the guys I would listen to, or the guys on this forum who have great knowledge off the T2 DETECTOR , if I was new at using the T2 ,

 

[MattR]

A 'field test' isn't worth the paper its written on, as far as another person is concerned. Unless he is naive or inexperienced.

WHAT ONE MAN IN ONE PLACE ACHIEVES, IN UNIQUE TO HIM.

THE TIME, THE LOCATION, PLUS THE MANY OTHER IMPONDERABLES, MAKES ANY SO CALLED FIELD TESTS, NOTHING MORE THAN A WALK-IN-THE-PARK.

THIS FORUM ALREADY HAS ENOUGH HONEST COMMENTS IN ITS ARCHIVES TO GIVE ANY SENSIBLE THINKING PERSON AN HONEST OVERVIEW OF THE T2'S CAPABILITIES.

THE T2 IS MY OPINION, AN EXCELLENT DETECTOR, WHATEVER THE METAL YOU SEARCH FOR.

IGNORE THOSE WHO TRY TO SEPARATE IT INTO A RELIC RATHER THAN COIN ETC. THAT'S NONSENSE. IT DOES BOTH WITH EQUAL EFFICIENCY.

IT IS NOT INTENDED FOR SERIOUS WET SALT BEACH SEARCHING.

IT CANNOT APPROACH THE MINELAB EXPLORER SERIES PERFORMANCE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. DRY SAND OK, OR EVEN MILDLY DAMP SAND AS LONG AS YOU KNOW WHEN TO TURN THE SENS DOWN FOR STABLE OPERATION.

IF ANYONE TRIES TO COMPARE IT TO ANY OTHER MACHINE THEY'VE USED, IN A CRITICAL MANNER, THEN I PERSONALLY THINK THEY ARE NOT REALLY VERY BRIGHT. BY ALL MEANS COMMENT ON EACH UNIT'S FORTE AND LIMITATIONS, THEN LEAVE IT AT THAT.

EACH DETECTOR HAS IT'S OWN PHYSICAL AND FUNCTIONAL CHARACTERISTICS.
WHY THEN TRY TO COMPARE IT TO A DIFFERENT ONE?

TITS ARE TITS. DIFFERENT SHAPES, DIFFERENT SIZES. LOVE 'EM ALL, AND APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENCES. BUT WHY KNOCK THEM !!!!...mmmmMattR.UK.

 

[garyuk]

I wont even lower myself to comment on your self important slander, it deeply saddens me to think you guys are representing UK detectorists on the www.

Gary UK

 

[Dopey]

Now that more people in the UK are buying the T2 this has obviously created a lot of interest.
I have met Gary on a quite a few occasions, he is a very experienced detectorist and knows what he is on about and has a lot of respect over here.

I really cannot see why people are getting annoyed about this - most detectors get a field test report but the majority of them are by dealers of that make - never seen a bad one - nuff said.

I have also met JBM on a couple of occasions - a more pleasant and friendly person you could not meet.

Gary first saw a T2 some months ago - it was mine when I was on a Weekend Wanderers dig . He did a couple of tests on it - one being to see if it could locate a small Roman coin taped under a plastic tub containing mineralised soil - at that time only 2 or 3 other detectors could locate the coin - the T2 was added to the list. I had seen many fail on a previous dig. I was well happy . The T2 is now my main detector.

I expect more people from the UK will be visiting this site, lets not discourage them please.
regards Dan.

 

[Blue(UK)]

Gary, there's a Mole's rally in Feb at St Albans .....there'll be a couple of T2 owners there with a fair bit of time on them if you're interested.

 

[MattR]

Re: Re: UK T2 Field Test
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I have met Gary on a quite a few occasions, he is a very experienced detectorist and knows what he is on about and has a lot of respect over here.

I really cannot see why people are getting annoyed about this - most detectors get a field test report but the majority of them are by...etc.


Gary first saw a T2 some months ago - it was mine when I was on a Weekend Wanderers dig . [size=medium]He did a couple of tests on it - one being to see if it could locate a small Roman coin taped under a plastic tub containing mineralised soil[/size] - at that time only 2 or 3 other detectors could locate the coin - the T2 was added to the list. I had seen many fail on a previous dig. I was well happy . The T2 is now my main detector.

I expect more people from the UK will be visiting this site, lets not discourage them please.
regards Dan.

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No offence to you Dan, but you have just exposed the crass nature of one particular test and its originator.

JM was replying to the laughable timing of the original post.
(The T2 train has been and gone, man. And if someone is trying to get on track now, then the F75 is due shortly and he'll get run over)

To come onto the home forum of the T2 in the USA, and announce that some UK person was going to honour us with his 'Pot Noodles' field tests.........Give us a break, and spare us the embarrassment.

If it wasn't a baited post, it still begged a reply. JM did that with sincerity, not malice.

My post was aimed at field-tests in general, and your timely, unsolicited comments proved the point, unequivocally.

I only hope that anyone you know, [size=large]who tapes coins under plastic beakers filled with soil,[/size] doesn't post on this forum (or any other for that matter, in the UK or USA.)..........MattR.UK.

 

[Dopey]

Hiya Matt
First of all I am fully aware of how long the T2 has been out, but not a lot has been known about it in the UK, Dean and Jeff have made postings on the UKDN Forum and also since Blue and Wolfy have them a lot more info has come through.
Wolfy is well known on that site and is also a seasoned detectorist and cannot sing its praises highly enough - I beleive people have shown an interest purely because of his thoughts.
Gary is known to a lot of people and various detecting clubs and there will be a lot of people out there who will want what they consider to be a fair appraisal of a detector before committing to buying one. A lot of people feel that can be done only through a field test - that decision is up to them.
As for the test I mentioned, a lot of detectors have problems on iron infested and mineralized soil - this was not meant to be taken as a professional test, just an indication of what it can do.

 

[Dopey]

Sorry Matt
just ran out of space, in my opinion the T2 is the business, there are top end detectors that cannot locate goodies next to iron, as you know the T2 is great.
I was not making any form of personal attack just did not think that the comments were very welcoming to the people concerned.I have seen how things can escalate out of hand on other sites and would dread to think that it would happen here coz it is a bloody good site.
regards Dan.

 

[MattR]

Thanks D for your reply. I do take in what you've said, and really appreciated your reply because it unintentionally but clearly illustrated the point that field tests by individuals can be of little value, especially when that test apparently is meant to conveyed something meaningful to you.

What conclusion did you derive from it? Can you tell us?

Whatever...It was,(to be very blunt), nothing less than a nonsense test, regardless of who the performer was.


With no offence to you intended whatsoever, I doggedly re-state, that anyone who places a coin under a pot of soil, and thinks he is doing some definitive test of a detector, is lacking in knowledge.( That is about metal detecting science.)

I don't care how long someone has been swinging his unit, it confers no rank or credibility if he performs that kind of stupid stunt.
It is crap like that, which retards the progress of anyone visiting forums wishing to learn about detecting phenomena.

None of us are totally knowledgeable in this science (for the detecting of metals in other mediums is a science), but some things we do know, and 99.99% of those tests that involve 'things under things' should be read and then forgotten. If you can't rationalize the way that a detector behaved in such a scenario, then forget it.

For example. Don't literally accept that the T2's coil "sees through mineralisation" unless they can explain why.

NO COIL 'SEES' through mineralisation in the manner they imply.

I would prefer the term "Better accommodates mineralisation".

It's design should, (and can) minimise the 'turbulence' of soil effect, caused by both the degree of soil conductance and ferrous ingredients. These two component's effects are amplified by the motion of the search-head.
The target's response reflected into your search-coil, rides on top of the wave form generated by the ground.

You can, by good inter-coil orientation/coupling/screening design, 'balance out' a significant portion of the ground's variations and leave the target signal intact.
You can then further balance-out ground electronically, through the timing of the phase sampling, and high pass filtering.

BUT WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS "SEE THROUGH MINERALISATION".

You can only minimise its deleterious effect to better 'SEE THE TARGET'.

Its presence and effect limits how deeply the penetrating flux can travel on its journey into the soil before it is forced back to the top side of your search-head. (It must complete its circular alternating tour.)

Soil conductance absorbs power and adds its positive VDI to that of the target's. With depth the target intercepts less flux and so appears to increase its resistance to a point where it is eventually superseded by the soil's 'constant' resistance volume.

Ferrous effect increases the flux's density but deflects its journey into the soil, so limiting depth. It also negatively 'biases' the reflected target's positive VDI.

That is just a brief and limited over-view of the complexities involved in the simple act of swinging your detector over the ground.

Maybe it will stimulate some further discussion.....MattR.UK.

 

[Dick from NC]

Well JBM the T2 replaced my Explorer XS of 8 years. When I go relic hunting the Explorer stays at home. The Explorer will be for the wet sand at the beach and a back up. Minelab has some very good machines but the T2 is all by itself. If some of the relic hunters that hunt the organized hunts in Va. find out about the T2, thats all you will see in the pictures of those hunts. Some of the pictures you see of those hunts you will see mostly Tesoro's. If those guys start using the T2 theres not going to be any civil war relic left in Va. So lets keep the T2 low key.

 

[Dopey]

Hiya Matt
Thanks for your reply, whereas I take on board your comments the be all and end all of it is that a lot of people will take notice of field tests.
There are so many detectors out there to choose from and many are really hyped up. It can be an expensive hobby and someone getting into the hobby for the first time will look for some form of guidance before making that initial outlay.It is a shame that they are mis led by dealers of the manufacturers doing the field tests - so I can understand your reasoning there.
They initially have the web, magazines or may be fortunate enough to hsve friends already in the hobby.
The T2 has been selling over hear by word of mouth- in my opinion that is the best way especially if it comes from a seasoned detectorist like Wolfie who has had first hand experience with a variety of detectors.
What I am saying is that I would rather see one compiled by someone I know and with that person not being a dealer for that make of machine - that way I beleive I would get a more HONEST initial appraisal of the machine.
Regards Dan.

 

[coenwolf]

got to agree with everyone on here ,the T2 is the best .a lot of people have contacted me personally about this machine and the only advise i have given them is get one .its deep,sensitive,lightweight and does the job .
most of you know how hooked i was on xp's but although they are a totr machine i always felt there was something lacking .that something i have found with the T2 it brings old played out fields back to life ,it does have minor problems on some fields but thats probably more down to lack of use due to our appalling weather of late than the machine ,in other words user error (mine) .
on virtually every trip out with the t2 i have found silver and not only me the same reports are coming from users north ,south,east and west in the u.k .so far i have only heard of one u.k user having problems .but he's still finding goodies with it though .
i got the t2 because i wanted the full spectrum of finds it has done what i wanted and then some ,tiny small.large,huge ,deep ,shallow it makes no difference once this baby locks on you got it found.
jerry who started this thread wanted a u.k field test ,well jerry just look at u.k finds coming up on here and on the u.k t2 forum there your field test matey ,you have seen the list of names of u.k users ,now put 2 and 2 together and what you got the T2 .
is it as good as your explorer well most of us as you know have used them jerry ,so why are we now using T2"s one simple reason

THE TEKNECTICS T2 IS LIKE A EXPLORER ON STEROIDS

 

[Captain Kirk]

Matt,

I greatly respect and appreciate you technical knowledge. Because of your technical strength it is sometimes difficult for you to be patient with "smoke blowers".

The concept of closed magnetic field lines and how reluctance determines the shape of the magnetic field is not understood by most people. I am fascinated by the theory, but most people could not care less. Putting a coin under a bucket filled with mineralized soil is an interesting test, but the bucket would have to be very large (compared to the magnetic field distribution) in order to be representative of the behavior in the mineralized ground. Therefore, what conclusions can you draw after performing the test?

By the way, I have had the T2 a couple of months. So far I have not been very impressed with its performance in the field compared to my Explorer II. I think that I really need to have some time with an experienced T2 user in order to determine what I may be doing wrong. I have not given up on it yet.

HH,
Glenn

 

[JM]

like the bit on your choice off honest detector user,