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Update on DVD of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly Signals of the Explorer/E-Trac

Erik in NJ

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OK, I realize that this is a touchy subject :yikes: but I have some equipment that will record these sounds in better than CD quality and the ability to shoot video in Hi-Def with live commentary. I realize that not everyone thinks this is worthwhile endeavor, but for those that do, please provide some input here or by PM (if you feel more comfortable). As you know I'm in northern NJ, and I would also like to record video with a cameraman -- please let me know if anyone is interested in collaborating locally or even over the Internet on this. :thumbup:
 
make sure i get a percentage for giving you that title...
im a disturbed man from jersey but im not going to help you filming this extravaganza... ..
got too many cellar holes waiting...
right now im studing signals in all metal in ferrous,thats enough to drive me nuts.....:smoke:
 
Erik this is the most ridiculous idea that I have every heard...

Don't forget to record them and note the settings for each. Maybe you can let us hear what it sounds like with different sensitivity, gain, deep on, etc.
 
I've been following on this topic for a while and figure that with the right equipment, it can work.

- Get a microphone inside the headphones of seasoned Explorer pro
- Have one of those slick helmet cams mounted to shoot only the smart find screen.
- Have another person shoot from third person showing the seasoned pro swinging the coil.
- Have the view of the smart find screen in the bottom corner of the screen (picture in picture)

This does take some extra equipment and would take a considerable amount of time to edit and put together but it is do-able.:detecting:
 
After reading Bryce's post about this very topic, I just wanted to say that my idea is not necessarily to teach people how to decipher iffy signals but to give others something different to see. :thumbup:
 
Erik, I think you would do many a service. I understand Bryce's position and can only say his contributions to the forum are already obvious and unquestionable. Having said that, some of the sounds I have already heard posted here have been very helpful. I have hundreds of hours of experience on the XLT, and Tone ID on that machine has been around a long, long time. So has VCO and VCO pinpoint... but I needed some help focusing on the valued signals. I didn't expect to get trained to expert level, and I take folks to the park and use a splitter on my XLT so others can hear the sounds I hear and then listen to my commentary... which I offer "as is". It generally helps new folks a lot. (Sounds a lot like what Bryce does for those in his area). I guess Bryce has the difficulty of being somewhat of a celebrity, so he is understandably more cautious in what he is willing to offer. If I confuse somebody, they can just chalk it off to that XLT guy who didn't have a clue.... but in Bryce's case it is not so easy.

Anyway, I think there will be plenty of folks who can benefit, and have enough experience with other machines to understand that variability of mixed targets is common.

One of the most helpful descriptions (in addition to the sounds themselves) has been the description of target sounds as being "flutey".

I have a bit of a music background... enough to know that most people do not possess perfect pitch; that is, most people can't hum a middle 'c' perfectly or even hear one and know for sure it is 'dead on'. Most are pretty decent with relative pitch, and hearing the good sounds in conjunction with the probable trash sounds is beneficial for many...

I find I have to guard against 'penny creep' in that after finding a couple of good silver targets, I am more likely to dig copper pennies or even mineralized clad pennies. The XLT separates the sounds 'wider', and if I haven't heard a true 'flutey' sound in a while, I find myself jumping at the relatively high sounds of the pennies. I should differentiate with the number screen, since the numbers are pretty consistent.

Anything you can do to present relative sounds (even if the targets are identified after they are dug) would be appreciated.
 
Eric id appreciate seeing and hearing your efforts. That said, doesnt the EMULATOR program do a fairly good job? Cant it be setup to your settings? Id love to have a short cut to these iffy signals.... but. I feel the best way to hear these sounds is in the field with an experienced hunter in your area using a splitter or your own detector set up the way you have it. There is a LOT of varences like Bryce said. Ive got a couple pair of headphones and ive found some tones for say nickels and dimes are better between the pair. Dont let me styfful you efforts... necessity is the mother of invention.

Dew
 
Hi Dew, The Emulator is a great program, but it has some severe limitations as far as emulating a true iffy or mixed target in the ground the way it is currently set up. For text book targets it's pretty good, but the whole idea that I'm working on is for non-text book targets....I'm gonna do my best with the best equipment to duplicate what the Explorer/E-Trac is telling us. We'll see what happens.....
 
regarding the "flutey" signals...back when I owned a synthesizer I learned that if you played a simple sine wave it sounded pretty close to a flute. I think the flutey sounds on the Explorer are generated by the eddy currents that are induced in round or spherical objects (these signals more closely resemble a sine wave). These tend to give the cleanest flutey sounds, but don't guarantee silver - just round - the pitch of the signal will (hopefully) tell you whether it is silver or not and you're rght the difference in pitches between a copper cent and a silver dime are very close on the Explorer and somtimes difficult to discern - I have heard deep silver dimes that sounded just like a copper wheat cent. An additional problem arises when there is trash or a dissimilar target nearby as now the sound is not so flutey anymore. With a non-round ragged item, the sound degenerates more and more. So hopefully the recording will help with ear training with regard to pitch, relative pitch, and timbre (the degree flutiness of a signal). Where are you located BTW?
 
Now this is a nice discussion. Appears we have agreed that we don't have to agree and no matter which way an individual biases oneself, the subject and content should cause some introspection about identirfying what it is that is wanted and possible ways to do that. I suspect a lot of practical applications we now take for granted, once had a bunch of folks on a project discussing what would work and what wouldn't...and then they tested it. Think about the sound barrier and the discussions about what that was and how it operated. Me thinks this subject is a whole lot less involved. The worse thing that will happen is Erik will have some nice equipment for which he has no use that we can pick up dirt cheap on the classifieds. :bouncy: Jim
 
Hi WL - Thanks for the thoughts on the matter - you have some very good ideas for production and I welcome your input....you've given me a number of things to consider as I mull over this project.
 
Tomorrow if it doesn't rain here in NJ I'm going to do some exploratory recordings. I'm going recording in the highest resolution that I can get with this equipment -- linear PCM format at 96KHz 24-bit format....I'm going to record the signal "dry" straight out of the headphone jack on my Explorer SE. I'll try to do a variety of targets if I can find the time. These digital recording will be as good or better than CD quality - and there should be no reason with a set of headphones that you will not be able to hear every nuance of the target. Drop me a line if you're interested in listening to some of these sample recordings and providing some feedback. This should be fun! Thanks....
 
i dont think there is anything wrong with giving it a shot..may take you a long while till you get enough signals to put something worthwhile together..i never minded helping someone that was out to prove a point.too bad your a little far away . good luck
 
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