v4.1 Ground Sensitivity

[unearth]

I guess I'm slow on the uptake for this option. I've read about the GS in v4.1 on the web site, but it doesn't explain it well for me. I live in So. Cal. and hunt parks and beaches. After reading about GS and how it is supposed to work, I still don't know whether to hunt in tracking mode or manual mode. Or is there really any difference? In v4.0 I used manual set at between 90 and 93. Can someone explain in layman's terms which may be the preferred method or suggest a link for me to checkout. I have been using manual set at 90 with between 3 and 6 ticks, usually, on the mineralization bar and sometimes I see a number at the top right. Thanks in advance for any help in this matter.

 

[Bob in Oregon]

This may help and it also provides insight into the GB bouncing around wildly that was brought up in another thread.
Hope it helps,
Bob

http://www.xp-detectors.co.uk/xp-deus-ground-balance-talk/

 

[unearth]

This may help and it also provides insight into the GB bouncing around wildly that was brought up in another thread.
Hope it helps,
Bob

http://www.xp-detectors.co.uk/xp-deus-ground-balance-talk/

Thanks Bob. I've read the link, but I'm still not understanding what it's saying. Do I run the Deus in Manual or Tracking? When do I change the GS setting? My mineralization bar is usually between 3 and 5. Do I change anything when the mineralization bar hits my numbers? As it stands, when I turn the Deus on, I don't do anything, I just start detecting. But is this correct or am I missing a step?

 

[martygene]

so far as I know it, unearth, in 4.1 the GS defaults to 6. I think that is where it was before we had a chance to change it. So you can turn on and go. I have seen conflicting opinions as to where to set it for low or high mineralization. Some said to lower it in mild mineralization and some say to raise it. I have not checked this out myself in the field so I can't comment on that aspect of the GS setting. Sooner or later someone in the know may tell us more but until then turn on and wave away. GL & HH

 

[unearth]

so far as I know it, unearth, in 4.1 the GS defaults to 6. I think that is where it was before we had a chance to change it. So you can turn on and go. I have seen conflicting opinions as to where to set it for low or high mineralization. Some said to lower it in mild mineralization and some say to raise it. I have not checked this out myself in the field so I can't comment on that aspect of the GS setting. Sooner or later someone in the know may tell us more but until then turn on and wave away. GL & HH

Thanks martygene

 

[Bob in Oregon]

Hello unearth,
I detect similar venues much as you do only further north. The local mineralization conditions where I hunt run from mostly mild (3 blocks) to moderate (7 blocks) on the vertical mineralization bar graph on the far right side of the screen. I do run into localized patches of ground within these areas that are much higher. I’m a little confused about the “mineralization bar hits your numbers” (what/which numbers ?), when it was mentioned to be normally “between 3 and 5”. I’m assuming you may be encountering the same type of hot ground patches I do periodically and are concerned that your G.B. mode is set appropriately?

The XP link stated that “ tracking is best suited for ground with gradual changes in mineralization and is not recommended for ground with lots of iron mineralization and fast ground changes”. That seems to suggest manual G.B. would be the preferred mode to run in areas of human habitation and use where the likely concentrations of iron will be found.
The XP link also stated that the G.S. was fixed at 10 in earlier program versions, it is now preset to 6. Additionally the default G.B. in 4.1 is 88 which you might consider taking for a spin with the lower preset G.S.
I don’t think you are missing a step and also suggest you just run it as is with the factory presets until you an issue comes up.

On an aside, I read your post and a couple others regarding the continued troubles with the MI 6 Pinpointer after updating is still not resolving the connectivity issues that were to resolved with the new update. I’ve also read a number of comments in various posts suggesting that the LF coil and headphones should be charged up rather than connected to the charging leads during the entire process when updating to ver. 4.1 as per XP’s instructions and have since been speculating whether there was a connection (no pun intended) between them.
I’m not suggesting you or others didn’t update correctly, but am curious if the coil and headphones were on the charging leads during the update ? and if not..... it may explain the pinpointer issue...... again, I’m only speculating and could very well be wrong.
Hope this helps,
Bob

 

[unearth]

Hello unearth,
I detect similar venues much as you do only further north. The local mineralization conditions where I hunt run from mostly mild (3 blocks) to moderate (7 blocks) on the vertical mineralization bar graph on the far right side of the screen. I do run into localized patches of ground within these areas that are much higher. I’m a little confused about the “mineralization bar hits your numbers” (what/which numbers ?), when it was mentioned to be normally “between 3 and 5”. I’m assuming you may be encountering the same type of hot ground patches I do periodically and are concerned that your G.B. mode is set appropriately?

The XP link stated that “ tracking is best suited for ground with gradual changes in mineralization and is not recommended for ground with lots of iron mineralization and fast ground changes”. That seems to suggest manual G.B. would be the preferred mode to run in areas of human habitation and use where the likely concentrations of iron will be found.
The XP link also stated that the G.S. was fixed at 10 in earlier program versions, it is now preset to 6. Additionally the default G.B. in 4.1 is 88 which you might consider taking for a spin with the lower preset G.S.
I don’t think you are missing a step and also suggest you just run it as is with the factory presets until you an issue comes up.

On an aside, I read your post and a couple others regarding the continued troubles with the MI 6 Pinpointer after updating is still not resolving the connectivity issues that were to resolved with the new update. I’ve also read a number of comments in various posts suggesting that the LF coil and headphones should be charged up rather than connected to the charging leads during the entire process when updating to ver. 4.1 as per XP’s instructions and have since been speculating whether there was a connection (no pun intended) between them.
I’m not suggesting you or others didn’t update correctly, but am curious if the coil and headphones were on the charging leads during the update ? and if not..... it may explain the pinpointer issue...... again, I’m only speculating and could very well be wrong.
Hope this helps,
Bob

Thanks for the help Bob. I've been hunting with the nine inch HF coil using the 28 freq. for the last five months. The mineralization bar is usually around three ticks and sometimes it will go as high as six, maybe even seven ticks. But usually around three or four. So, turn the machine on, do a pumping GB, stay in manual and then go hunt. Your comment, "until an issue comes up". What issues? Falsing, instability? Then I would move the GS down or the GB down or both. Sorry if this seems redundant. I really appreciate the help.
As for the MI6. I followed the Xp instructions exactly. I had all coils fully charged and on the charging cable when I did the update. If I decide to re-load 4.1, can I download 4.1 over the top of 4.1? Or should I re-load 4.0 and then re-download 4.1 and having the coils fully charged but NOT on the charging cable?

 

[Bob in Oregon]

In a nut shell yes, as far as setting up the machine provided your site soil conditions are reasonably consistent. Mine aren’t. I’ll pump on new ground I have never hunted in several areas to get an idea of what the average ground phase mineralization might be and always set the machine G.B. 3 points above the most consistent average number I see. With inconsistent conditions, I don’t like to and won’t chase ever shifting ground balances. I’d end up spending more time fiddling around with the adjustments then hunting. So what does that mean, in some areas my machine may be more than 3 points above, a majority of the time it will be spot on and in a few others, I’ll maybe see the ground phase number 1 or 2 points above but not very often. I’m reasonably comfortable that the G.B. I’m using the majority of the time is set where it should be.... no falsing, instability, or excessive ground chatter and ironically, pretty darn close to the factory presets with a couple of exceptions in custom programs I have on board the R.C.
I would leave the preset G.S. alone unless you have found your groove with your sites overall average mineralization, you are certain of what the G.B. should be and have a need to make an adjustment. Remember it was fixed at 10 in the earlier versions and just because we have the option to adjust it now, doesn’t necessarily mean we need to .....
Just my 2 cents and hope it helps,
Bob

 

[targets]

the mineralisation ticks can vary wildly on the same piece of ground i have found so its inconsistent to rely on it

 

[Bob in Oregon]

Agreed...... but it’s a rockstar at I’D’ing bottle caps......
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