Vaquero?

[birdman]

I am about to trade my CZ5 (great performer but loves iron) for a Vaquero. I have a Cibola and want to know if it is worth me trading my CZ for the Vaquero since I already have a cibola? How much better is the Vaquero then the Cibola .The CZ 5 is a deep machine and I just don't won't to make a mistake. Thanks much.

 

[khouse]

On your clean soil bob the C up and down with the pinpoint button pushed. If the GB is pretty close then getting the V may not get much better performance than the C. So then you might keep the CZ-5. I would probably opt to buy the V and sell the C and also keep the CZ-5

 

[zeb]

[quote birdman]I am about to trade my CZ5 (great performer but loves iron) for a Vaquero. I have a Cibola and want to know if it is worth me trading my CZ for the Vaquero since I already have a cibola? How much better is the Vaquero then the Cibola .The CZ 5 is a deep machine and I just don't won't to make a mistake. Thanks much. [/quote]

Birdman the Vaquero will be deeper than the Cibola. Merf on TreasureNet (PM him) is a great guy and he has tested his Cibola carefully and it only gets 5 inches on a dime and 6 on a quarter (low discrimination). Actually this is where 95% of the detectors made today are at. In fact, most factory preset VLF detectors have been in this range since the mid 80's.

Is the Vaquero better than the CZ5? I use the Tejon and absolutely luv it but other than square nails it doesn't miss much iron. But I dig partly broken signals so this is why. If one were to ignore those clipped (bleep) signals (discrimination on foil) then Tesoro is super at missing iron and sounding off on non ferrous metals. Almost all buried iron will give a distinct clipped signal if discrimination is set on or over foil. This still allows to detect gold rings and all coins.

So, with the Tesoro V or Tejon one can miss iron if one is willing to ignore those clipped signals that could be (almost never are) super deep small coins (8-10 inches) or all coins on edge. The call is all yours.

The thing with the Vaquero (and this goes extra for the Tejon) is ground balancing. Many people don't do it right and therefore hate manual ground balance machines. If you get that ground balance right even the mighty Tejon will run smooth and quiet even in super trashy areas. Whenever you read about the Tejon chirping and making lots of noise you know immediately the person didn't know how to ground balance.

Should you trade your CZ5 for the V? If you can ID iron in any way with your CZ5 then probably not. I would trade it in a John Wayne minute for a Tejon. Like khouse wrote I'd sell the Cibola and move up to the V or Tejon.

Zeb

 

[birdman]

Thanks for the information! The CZ is a great machine but it LOVES DEEP rusty nails and this is all farm country up here in North Dakota .I am also spoiled by the lite weight of the tesoro. I love the Cibola and am gonna keep it since I bought it new and have the life time warranty. I have read great things about the Vaquero so I figured I might get a little more depth the its little brother. I find myself mostly using the Cibola now due to the iron rejection but the CZ5 will pull some deep stuff once its ground balanced right.

 

[zeb]

[quote birdman]Thanks for the information! The CZ is a great machine but it LOVES DEEP rusty nails and this is all farm country up here in North Dakota .I am also spoiled by the lite weight of the tesoro. I love the Cibola and am gonna keep it since I bought it new and have the life time warranty. I have read great things about the Vaquero so I figured I might get a little more depth the its little brother. I find myself mostly using the Cibola now due to the iron rejection but the CZ5 will pull some deep stuff once its ground balanced right.[/quote]

Well in that case maybe the trade would be for the better. I think you'll find the Vaquero as deep as the CZ5 and maybe even deeper.

Tesoro discrimination is excellent and the company usually backs used machines the same as new (so I've heard).

HH,

Zeb

 

[birdman]

Thanks much for the help, I think I am going to go ahead and do the trade! I just bought a house built in 1920 ,so far the cibola has pulled three buffalo nickles 10 wheat pennies ,one silver dime and acouple of other keepers from the yard.I went back over it with my CZ and there is just to much rusty iron for it to be effective. Maybe the Vaquero will find one or two more.

 

[zeb]

[quote birdman]Thanks much for the help, I think I am going to go ahead and do the trade! I just bought a house built in 1920 ,so far the cibola has pulled three buffalo nickles 10 wheat pennies ,one silver dime and acouple of other keepers from the yard.I went back over it with my CZ and there is just to much rusty iron for it to be effective. Maybe the Vaquero will find one or two more. [/quote]

You're welcome for my part.

Just set the Vaquero a little higher than foil and only dig those solid clear small tight signals. In other works, do it pretty much like the Cibola. I keep forgetting you already have Tesoro experience.

The manual ground balance makes all the difference in the world IF DONE CORRECTLY.

Zeb

 

[markg]

[quote zeb][quote birdman]Thanks much for the help, I think I am going to go ahead and do the trade! I just bought a house built in 1920 ,so far the cibola has pulled three buffalo nickles 10 wheat pennies ,one silver dime and acouple of other keepers from the yard.I went back over it with my CZ and there is just to much rusty iron for it to be effective. Maybe the Vaquero will find one or two more. [/quote]

You're welcome for my part.

Just set the Vaquero a little higher than foil and only dig those solid clear small tight signals. In other works, do it pretty much like the Cibola. I keep forgetting you already have Tesoro experience.

The manual ground balance makes all the difference in the world IF DONE CORRECTLY.

Zeb[/quote]

I don't have foil listed on my Vaquero only iron, nickel, tab and max.

 

[silverseeker 2]

Keep your cz and learn it in the iron as it will produce great.
I own a cz3d and in the salt mode it's a cz5 and you can nail coins with iron laying right next to it.It's just training your ear.The cz's
are deep and today thats what you want!!!Best of luck...

 

[cspene]

n/t

 

[birdman]

I have already shipped the CZ off in the mail. I may be sorry but It seemed very uncomfortable to swing after hunting with my Cibola . The CZ had paid for its self as my Cibola has . I hope I don't regreat it later but I am sure the Vaquero will do well.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

But I believe you will find that when supertuned for the deep stuff its gonna be just as iron loving as the CZ's, it was in my ground. Also, I found the Vaquero to require a bit slower sweep than the Cibola for some reason.

HH Tom

 

[markg]

Thanks for the tip. I'll slow down my sweep with the Vaquero.

 

[zeb]

I don't have foil listed on my Vaquero only iron, nickel, tab and max.

It would be about half way between iron and nickel. Always keep it to the left of nickel because you don't want to lose gold. Many gold coins and rings chime in at about nickel. If you discriminate out nickels you're not going to dig a lot of gold.

But, the lower you can run the discrimination the better.

Zeb