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Want just look for the deep coins using deus, try this

squirrel1

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I have read were some think the Deus is a beep and dig machine. The deus is NOT a beep and dig machine. I'll explain. And also show how you the user can maybe screen your targets to weed out the shallower junk. I went to a church yard today. I'd been there before many times. Had a white's V3i there, and an etrac. Today was the 1st time with Deus. And this site I might add has been hunted hard by other people using various machines. I generally run reactivity 1 silencer -1. You'll see some people complain about the TID on deus as being inferior to say etrac/CTX on deeper coins. This is in fact true. But the deus does something no other VLF detector does that's very useful. It quits IDing targets at around 8" give or take. There are slight differences between 9 and 11" coils, plus target size and ground mineralization also has effects. So you want to look for coins on a church yard i.e. Running in 8 khz and 12 khz most coins won't start coming in till around 78 VDI approximately. This is the number I use. So while you're sweeping with all numbers 78 and above set to highest tone, you'll want to listen. When you hear a high tone go ahead and look at your screen. If you see fairly steady numbers of 78 or above staying in the window with repeated sweeps, go ahead and dig. Now for the deep targets. While your sweeping you also need to listen for the gradual rise and fall of a higher pitch. As you pass your coil back over the spot you'll want to hear the nice clear gradual rise and fall of the "cat purring sound". Watch your meter, you'll probably see a number from 94 thru 98. Also you'll most likely but not always see the slightest upper right portion of the horseshoe highlighted. Now you can pivot around the target if you wish while sweeping, but if the tone disappears or starts breaking up, don't walk off. Unless the target is real small you probably have a target under your coil that's 8"plus deep. So dig where the cat purring sounds were the highest tone sounding. Start digging. A word of caution. After you say dig around 6 inches deep and haven't located your target. You can always stand up and sweep the hole with your detector. You may or MAY NOT hear it. KEEP digging and check with your pinpointer frequently. If you heard the slight rise and fall of a tone that sounds very much like a cat purring, in all likelihood there's a target in the hole. Don't give up digging until you find it. It can be iron. This does happen from time to time. But if you find say a nail in the hole and you haven't gotten down to at least 9-10 inches keep digging. A pinpointer is real handy to have and will save you a bunch of time and can help you prevent damage to a coin, etc. On deep coins the Deus probably/likely WILL NOT beep. So today this tactic seemed to work pretty good. Seems small pieces of tinfoil when balled up would give some pretty good coin numbers at times and beep (meaning <8" deep. I did dig 3 deep targets. A wheat at a measured 9.25 inches, a low brass 12 gauge hull at 10", and another wheat at 8.5 inches. For all new deus users. A recommendation. Dig a hole down about 12 inches, big enough to get your hand and arm into. Take a ruler with you and reach down in the hole and try and stick the dime in the side of the hole at various depths. Play with your settings on your deus. 8 or 12 khz, reactivity 1 silencer 0 or -1 are good settings for deep coins. Try and get the fainter cat purring sound as you move your coil across the dime. Deep coins don't sound as obvious using a deus vs etrac/CTX, but once you learn what they sound like using a deus, you can then use this unusual VLF detector characteristic to your benefit when looking for deep coins etc.
Now I mention the VDI number 78. Using the above will get the deep nickels too as long as you don't have them notched out. The deus does in a way have a depth meter.
 
WOW! RIGHT ON squirrel! That is an amazing write up... you can write just like it happened to me! Are you psychic? Seriously. I had that exact situation happen to me Christmas day and most every time I go out now that I am paying attention to those deep no VID short scratchy tones and digging...and digging deep. Got a nickle size piece of aluminum at deeper than my TRX pin pointer...took a cell phone picture of it cuz it blew my mind. Got a 7-8" deep wheatie with sporadic signal and bouncy 78-85 horseshoe just a blip on top. The amazing thing is I pulled two very rust nails out of the hole above the wheatie! No silver the past two hunts but I love the challenge of finding and digging deepies! This Deus is amazing and a blast to use.
 
I haven't bought Andy's book on Deus. I did buy his minelab book. If his Deus book is anything like the minelab it should be very good. I want folks to squeeze out all the performance out of their units they can. Or maybe not sell them because they aren't finding deep coins because they are only digging beeps. And to think some folks actually came off of beep and dig units. Could be a habit that's hard to break or understand. The deus (even when using disc mode) sounds more like a machine in all metal over deep targets. And deus seems not to like dirt took off the top of target much especially on the deep finds.
 
I dug RCMP button about 1" in diameter at measured 10 " w solid VID of 72 and solid tone w 9" coil
Reactivity at 0
Silencer -1
And dug many more targets w solid VID past 8" depth- to achieve that silencer has to be at -1 and reactivity at 0
 
Sorry...I don't understand what is meant when you say "like a cat purring". I don't believe I know what you mean. I don't think I have heard that particular sound from my Deus? Am I missing something? Hope not.

Charles
 
I *think* he means 'meowing'

----so it's a round, bell-like, whisper of a good 'coin sounding' tone
 
Charles,
You may want to dig the big deep hole like I mentioned above and experiment. I will try and explain again. What kind of tone do your deepest coins seem to make?? Are they more of a full tone with good volumne? If so you might be walking right over the top of good deep finds. Have you dug any 10" deep dimes or wheat coins that give a full fledged tone? I live in Tn. The deeper coins for me say 8" plus dimes and pennies don't give a full fledged tone. They give more of a slight rise and fall in the threshold so to speak. Some folks have referred to this sound as mouse squeaks, I find it sounds more like a cat purring, You have to listen carefully. When you get one of these signals check to see if its repeatable. You can/maybe should also verify your ground balance is good. Your audio report setting is very important. IMO should be no lower than 4. Settings of 5 or 6 may even be better, depending on the quality of your headphones and your hearing. Extremely fast coil sweeping will mostly likely not yield/ decrease the chance of hearing the small sound I refer to as cat purring. Soil quality will also influence I think when a coin say moves from a fuller tone to a whisper. And the 9" coil vs the 11" coil may in fact get different quality of tone over same deep i.e.coin. I don't have Andy's Deus handbook, Beepsilver is going to sell me his. So I don't know how Andy describes what I've been talking about as far as deep coin signals under the Deus' coil. Maybe some others can comment on what they hear when over deep targets. Cheeers
 
Shallow, up to 6-7" nonferrous targets are easy to ID in California moderate soil with my "current" (I adjust as needed) custom "COIN" program. Tones also are dependent on controller settings and it is difficult to explain a sound in writing! I have damaged hearing...bad hearing. My Audio settings are 5-6 with tone settings on my "custom" "COIN" program 2 or 3 tones (still trying to decide which I like best), tone breaks to my liking but pitch up to 800Hz above 75-80 VDI. Nonferrous targets hit a scratchry sometimes (rough?) flutty high tone....hard to explain! But as I approach a deep target I am listening for a short high pitched "chirp" (whisper?) with little or no right side horseshoe. I dig all those targets.
 
Someone without frozen ground might consider posting a video where we can hear the audio in question...that could clear up a lot here.
 
Old silver coins respond very good but new clad they are made of steel so you have to accept iron to find those
I found many American coins old and new you guys are spoiled your coins are easy to find new or old.
 
I wished our newer coins were made of steel. The cats meow with the deus. Many zincolns would not be dug so I could spend more time on the older coins.
 
Good advice but I got a coffee can full of zincolns from this year and no gold rings......but the year ain't over till the gun fire subsides!
 
I have found quite a few of our Canuck coins.. Loonies ring in very well on the Deus,, as does the toonie.

Quarters are okay.. Dimes are okay.. Nickels are iffy..

That being said, I am mainly searching drowned towns.. so most of my finds tend to be older.

I guess digging is pretty much done in Regina now?

Micheal
 
That special deep sound from the Deus is more of a "mouse sigh" sort of sound . It's real soft and gentle. Once you notice it it will be easy to look for in the future.

Regards, Joe
 
It all depends on what you call deep targets are and also your location,as what setup works for some folks may not necessary work others,if i am working say a pasture site that has deep Bronze Age finds going back nearly 3000 years then they will be much deeper than say a dime or what ever you are hunting across the pond,so relying on the screen has little or no use what so ever but if the Deus is setup to your specific site/location then you can still hear the deep target through your headphones.

So although i am not knocking the suggestions in the thread as they are very helpful but not everyone detects deep targets in the same way,so this is why i am one of the folks who have mentioned about using the tones on the Deus over using the screen,we have very deep old targets and not all the same say nickle,silver or what ever the US coinage use.Silver coins over in the UK going back 2000 years vary big time in the silver content of these items hence what one silver coin shows up on the screen as,could well change on another silver coin and this is all because of the various qualities of the silver content.

Thought i would just highlight a few differances that could affect how folks use the Deus on different continents.
 
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