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Water Detectors

SeniorSeeker

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Hello Fellow Seekers,

Help! I'm seriously considering the purchase of a water detector and the three on my list are the Minelab Excalibur, Garrett Infinium & Fisher CZ-21 but not necessarily in that order. All three appear to be fantastic detectors and each has a long list of abilities most, if not all detectorist, have come to enjoy. Presently I'm bending toward the Fisher CZ-21 but am open to hearing your thoughts on the other two.

SeniorSeeker
 
They're all good machines. The Infinium has awesome depth, goes underwater to 200 feet, has 96 frequencies, discrimination, iron check, automatic ground balance, three stages of ground tracking, and much more. Good luck in your quest.

Bill
 
I have used all three machines and I would not trade my Infinium LS for the world! :) Best of luck to you whichever detector you choose. Feel free to ask for advice at anytime. Happy Hunting!:biggrin:
 
My first year with the INFINIUM.....Click elow:

http://www.photoshow.com/watch/ZT8SI9HY

"The Infinium does have some discrimination characteristics. It's not like an accumulative type or notch found on VLF type detectors. In fact, the Infinium is entirely different then any other type of detector. What the Infinium can do as far as discrimination is concerned, is give a tone HIGH-LOW for iron, aluminum and gold. It also gives off a LOW-HIGH signal for silver, copper and again iron. So iron and other junk is always the wild card in both types of signals, as it is a Pulse Induction type of detector. However, the Infinium also comes with an iron check, which again helps with getting a better probability of what type (iron or not?) target it is. Now the Infinium has a bit of a learning curve, and if you are new to metal detecting and lack basic theory on how the machines operate, don't buy one. It will be a lesson in frustration for you.

Now having said that, other little techniques are on your learning curve to be discovered. For instance, the smoothness/roughness of the tone gives a hint as to whether it is an iron rusted target or not. The "Sustain" length of time that the Infinium gives after reading a target gives you a hint as to its size. The Infinium gives a double bleep on bobby pins and wire. So......if you only want to dig gold, only dig the HIGH-LOW signals. That removes a lot of signals that you can leave in the ground. Also, use the iron check, which even cuts out more targets. If you want to dig mostly coins, including old deep silver, dig only the LOW-HIGH signals. Again....use the iron check.

Is the Infinium the holy grail of detectors? No it isn't. It's a PI and loves iron, like all PI's. Iron can not be discriminated out like a VLF detector. But it goes DEEP! It must be ground balanced and a proper frequency must be picked for maxamum performance. I have pulled rings out at over 14 inches with a nice strong signal. It is one of (if not the) deepest machines available. It was designed to get gold in some of the highest mineralized soils in the world. It works in all salt water/beach environments and is water proof too.

Is it a good coin shooter? Perhaps, but only in areas where there are few targets. It's not practical for park environments, as it picks up all metals, even those that your VLF will miss. I have had some success using it in the woods, digging only the LOW-HIGH signals. It should also perform well at relic hunting too.

Where it worked best for me was in hunted out beaches where most of the targets had been removed. The best beach hunters dig ALL targets. The Infinium isn't for everyone, and is not a do it all detector. But if you give it the time it deserves to learn it properly, and use it in its proper environment, it is a killer. I have my best gold ring year ever in 15 years using this machine."
 
Might want to take a look at the Sea Hunter too. BTW I have a Infinium, Sea Hunter, Excal 2 and Excal 1000
IMHO the Sea Hunter is the most overlooked and under rated water detector out there. Hunt it with the 10x 14 C coil low and slow and it is deeper than all the rest
 
i"v got an excal 1000 & loving it & the infinium is meant to be very good ( it"s top of my next detector to buy list ) but i"v heard some bad storeys about the fisher CZ 21.
the best bet is to look back though the posts on the water hunting part of this forum look at the finds & check out who made em & the detector used this should give ya a fair idea of what make & model to get.
hope this helps you the right choice
 
HI Senior Seeker,
I do not know your detecting experience and the three detectors you have short listed are all great machines and each is designed for a specific purpose.
The Infinium will work in all ground conditions but lacks the target ID accuracy often required by beach and coin hunters, it is designed primarily to operate best in highly iron mineralised ground and the iron discriminator is mainly to help in identifying gold from iron. It is an excellent relic detector for the Dig All Targets person and gold hunter. This detector can be set up to work very well in salt water conditions.

Th CZ 21 is an excellent detector that is also waterproof to a couple of hundred feet, it has manual ground adjust and good discrimination ability including three tone target ID, and is sensitive to small gold and silver chains that a lot of other detectors have difficulty with It will operate very well in salt water but in my opinion is better suited to fresh water conditions. The Infinium and Excalibur are better in salt water than the CZ 21. The CZ 21 can be used in suburban parks and gardens in that it is less effected by electrical interference than the Infinium and maybe the Excalibur as well.

The Excalibur is designed to operate best in salt water conditions and also in quite highly mineralized ground. It has very good target tone and notch discrimination that takes a bit of getting used to and it does not require ground balancing. This is a heavy detector and would be a bit out of place in parks an gardens even though it will operate beautifully in those areas.

If I was looking to buy a saltwater beach only type detector with no intention of going into the gold fields then I would choose between the CZ 21 and the Excalibur and probably lean towards the Excal.
I should add also that I have an infinium for my beach work because it is water proof, goes very deep and I am a dig all targets type operator.

There may be some CZ 21 operators out there who can give you a better idea of how well it handles salt water conditions.

Adrian SS
 
My cz21 broke 3 times in one year, my buddies twice, other than that there excellent at findind the gold. I would go with the tiger shark, oh yea there out of production for the last 5 months.I guess my new hobby has some issues
 
I have owned the Infinium for over a year and it gave me nothing but a head ache for the first few months. I ended up sending it in for repairs ,Garrett replaced the coil and control unit. The machine seems to be working fine now. I use mine on the beaches of East coast Florida and dig everything. If you are considering this unit and want to use it in the water you will need to purchase the water headphones and possibly a mono coil which will add about another $200 to the cost.....
 
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