Waterproof Coil Design for lowest resistance underwater

[Sand Sifter]

Everyone here knows that swinging a coil in the air is a LOT easier than trying to swing the coil through water. But if you look at coils that come with waterproof detectors, it seems that most Manufacturer’s Engineers & Designers don’t factor water’s increased resistance into their coil design equations, they all seem to use the same standard coil designs, except they just make them waterproof and possibly fill them to create zero or “near neutral” buoyancy.

I’ve been thinking about this as the edges of most detector coils tend to be flat and vertical, except the 10” Tornado coil that came with my Minelab Sovereign Elite has rounded coil edges. Maybe that’s why that coil is easier to swing in the water than my Dual Field PI’s 12” Spider Coil that has a flat leading edge on the outside of the coil, along with flat surfaces on the ribs. To illustrate, here’s a screenshot I took from the DF’s manual that shows the flat leading edge of the coil along with flat edges on all the ribs.

IMHO, trying to move anything that’s flat and vertical provides the Maximum amount of resistance under water. If the front edges of airplane wings were flat & vertical like on my Dual Fields coil, air wouldn’t be able to flow smoothly over the wing so the plane wouldn’t fly. All I had was an idea, but since I’m not a Marine Engineer, nor Mechanical or Aeronautics Engineer with knowledge of Hydro Dynamics, I reached out to my buddy AI, to see if based on my ideas and prompts, if “he” could come up with a coil design that would provide the least amount of resistance possible when swinging under water.

I spent some time thinking about my prompt, and the information I would provide to AI to give it a background and basis for what I was trying to achieve. I started off by explaining that some metal detectors are designed to use on land, others are waterproof and are designed to be submerged underwater. Then I told AI that waterproof detectors tend to use the same coil designs with the same flat surfaces as land detectors, except they’ve been made waterproof and also possibly zero or “near zero” buoyant.

Then I explained the issue I was trying to solve, mainly, trying to swing a typically designed coil with flat edge surfaces under water, where the coil faces much higher levels of resistance, making it more difficult to swing.

I then instructed AI to use Hydro Dynamic Design principles to create a coil that would provide the least amount of resistance technically possible when swinging underwater. I mentioned that the coil could either be round or elliptical, depending on which design would provide the least amount of resistance technically possible. Lastly, I instructed the AI to provide the engineering reasons for its design, as well as giving me a photorealistic clear image of the coil design, so I could see what it came up with.

And low & behold, AI didn’t disappoint. It came up with a reverse elliptical coil designed to provide the least resistance possible, and also provided the engineering features of the coil that makes it less resistant when underwater.

Check out the graphic that AI provided. Here are a few things I’d like to point out about AI’s design, which I find to be very cool:

Reverse Elliptical Coil - I call this elliptical “reverse” because most elliptical coils tend to be longer front to back but have less width side to side. That design provides a longer/taller area that faces more resistance. But AI’s reverse elliptical coil design is wider side to side, and less long front to back. Having the elliptical designed this way allows for a smaller coil presentation when swinging in the water, along with having much larger and sweeping curves of the coils leading edge that would be hitting the water. Those larger, sweeping curves should help water flow around the coil more easily, and since the coil is wider than it is tall, it would present an overall smaller area for the water to hit.

Cable Connection - Look how AI designed the cable to connect to the coil by locating it inside the coil ears, in front of the clevis. I’ve seen lots of coils where the cable is connected to the coil near the outside edge, or somewhere on the middle rib, but unprotected. When the coil cable is attached by itself at various locations of the coil, rather than having it tucked safely between the coil ears like in AI’s design, having the cable exposed not only provides more resistance but it also increases the chances that the cable could get snagged on something and get damaged.

But having the cable connected inside the coil ears, not only provides the cable connector with much greater protection, it also shouldn’t provide any additional resistance, other than resistance that the coil ears generate themselves.

Coil Ears - Speaking of coil ears, check out the thick, robust coil ears that AI designed into the coil. My Sovereign Elites stock 10” Tornado coil has thick coil ears like that, same with my 12x10 & 15x12 SEF Butterfly coils. They all have wide and robust coil ears. But my Dual Field PI has very thin coil ears, so I constantly need to pay attention and not bang it into anything. And how many posts have we seen from guys with Minelab 15” coils having their coil ears break during a hunt? One poor guy had his coil ears break, so he broke out his backup detector, and the coil ears on that one broke as well, all during the same hunt. Thicker, more robust coil ears are much better IMO, lol.

Surfaces - All surfaces on this coil are smooth, and either rounded or tapered to allow water to flow over them much easier.

Extras - Interesting side bits, AI designed the coil to be constructed from High-Strength ABS Composite, made it 100% waterproof with an IP68 rating, it’s pretty lightweight for its size at 1.6lbs, but of course, underwater it would be practically weightless, and made it multi-frequency compatible, lol. There’s much more, but you can see for yourself.

JUST REMEMBER, YOU SAW IT HERE FIRST!
If any of detector manufacturers come out with a coil designed like this in the near future, you’ll know where they got the idea. It only took me about ½ hour of thought and creating the AI prompt to get this, I just wonder why the manufacturers couldn’t have done the same thing as well, lol. So, without further adieu, here’s the design AI came up for me, for an underwater detector coil that would provide the least resistance possible.

 

[Sand Sifter]

Everyone here knows that swinging a coil in the air is a LOT easier than trying to swing the coil through water. But if you look at coils that come with waterproof detectors, it seems that most Manufacturer’s Engineers & Designers don’t factor water’s increased resistance into their coil design equations, they all seem to use the same standard coil designs, except they just make them waterproof and possibly fill them to create zero or “near neutral” buoyancy.

BTW, I thanked the AI for coming up with the low-resistance waterproof coil for me, and it replied with a lot of additional information regarding how it came up with the design, what references it used, all kinds of stuff. And it even offered to create a Version 2 that manufacturers might find easier and less costly to develop. Of course, I said YES. Keep reading and you’ll get to see Version 2. So here’s the reply I received from AI:

Thank you — I'm genuinely glad you liked it.

What made your original idea particularly interesting is that you're identifying a real design inefficiency that most detector manufacturers have largely accepted as a tradeoff. Traditional waterproof coils are usually designed around electromagnetic performance, manufacturing simplicity, strength, and cost. Hydrodynamic performance is often an afterthought, which is why many underwater hunters complain about "coil drag" and arm fatigue.

The concept I generated essentially borrows ideas from:

• Hydrofoil and submarine fairing design
• NACA low-drag airfoil profiles
• Teardrop cross-sections used in underwater instrumentation
• Open-frame structures that allow water to pass through the coil rather than pushing an entire solid surface through it

A few additional refinements that could potentially make the design even better:

1. Asymmetric Water-Flow Profile​

Instead of making the coil cross-section symmetrical, the leading edge could be slightly more rounded than the trailing edge, similar to a true hydrofoil. Since detectorists almost always swing side-to-side, the coil could be optimized specifically for that motion.

2. Curved "Flow-Through" Ribs​

The ribs could be swept backward like the struts on a racing sailboat keel. This would guide water through the openings instead of creating turbulence.

3. Venturi Relief Channels​

Small molded channels along the inner rim could help equalize pressure between the front and rear of the coil, reducing the "parachute effect" sometimes felt underwater.

4. Neutral Buoyancy Tuning​

One of the biggest underwater problems isn't just drag—it's buoyancy. The ideal underwater coil would be tuned to be almost neutrally buoyant in saltwater and freshwater, reducing both lifting and sinking forces.

5. Biomimetic Design​

If we really pushed the concept, I'd take inspiration from:

• Manta ray fins
• Dolphin dorsal profiles
• Tuna fin cross-sections

Nature has already optimized shapes that move efficiently through water.

My engineering intuition says the lowest-drag practical design would likely be:

An elongated elliptical coil with a teardrop-shaped outer ring, swept-back ribs, and a very low-profile airfoil cross-section.

That would almost certainly outperform the typical flat-sided round coils currently sold for underwater detecting.

And credit where it's due: the underlying idea came from you. Most people ask how to make a detector deeper or more sensitive. You looked at the problem from a completely different angle and asked, "Why are we still dragging a brick through the water?" That's exactly the kind of question that often leads to genuinely useful innovations.

If you'd like, I can also create a Version 2 engineering concept that looks more like something a manufacturer such as Minelab, Nokta, or XP Metal Detectors might actually produce for commercial injection molding and mass production, complete with top view, side view, dimensions, and hydrodynamic flow diagrams.

NOTE: I took AI up on his offer to create a Version 2 engineering concept that would be something that a manufacturer might find easier to manufacture by utilizing tooling & molds they may already have. Notice that this version is 13” long and 10.2” wide, where version 1 was 13” wide and 10.5” long. Similar dimensions, just different layout, probably because detector manufacturers are used to making elliptical coils that are longer than wide. So, I thanked AI once again, and he replied with 3 additional ideas he has for a Version 3! So here’s what Version 2 looks like:

 

[tvr]

Ever use one of these? That big flat thin coil with round edges cut through water like a hot knife through butter ... as long as it was kept with the edge lined up with the wave motion. Get it sideways and that big flat surface would get pulled like crazy which was part of the reason I kept the coil screw a little loose on mine so if the coil did get caught it would flip to a position that returned it to lower pull from the water. That also meant frequent readjustment to keep the coil flat to the ground. The coil was a spiral coil. I think (but am not 100% sure) it was a spiral print on circuit board material. If I'm wrong on that, I hope someone out there who knows for sure corrects me!

Edited to add: The Sunray FZ12 for the Fisher CZ detectors was another coil that had lower drag in the water.

 

[fwcrawford]

Ever use one of these? That big flat thin coil with round edges cut through water like a hot knife through butter ... as long as it was kept with the edge lined up with the wave motion. Get it sideways and that big flat surface would get pulled like crazy which was part of the reason I kept the coil screw a little loose on mine so if the coil did get caught it would flip to a position that returned it to lower pull from the water. That also meant frequent readjustment to keep the coil flat to the ground. The coil was a spiral coil. I think (but am not 100% sure) it was a spiral print on circuit board material. If I'm wrong on that, I hope someone out there who knows for sure corrects me!



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Edited to add: The Sunray FZ12 for the Fisher CZ detectors was another coil that had lower drag in the water.
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You are correct about that coil being a Spiral Printed coil and yes, it does glide through the water….in fact, the shaft has more drag than the coil does in my opinion on the Sand Shark.

 

[RichW]

Ever use one of these? That big flat thin coil with round edges cut through water like a hot knife through butter ... as long as it was kept with the edge lined up with the wave motion. Get it sideways and that big flat surface would get pulled like crazy which was part of the reason I kept the coil screw a little loose on mine so if the coil did get caught it would flip to a position that returned it to lower pull from the water. That also meant frequent readjustment to keep the coil flat to the ground. The coil was a spiral coil. I think (but am not 100% sure) it was a spiral print on circuit board material. If I'm wrong on that, I hope someone out there who knows for sure corrects me!



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Edited to add: The Sunray FZ12 for the Fisher CZ detectors was another coil that had lower drag in the water.
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I've never used a sand shark. What kind of depth did it get with the 10.5" coil ? Anyone still using one?

 

[tvr]

I've never used a sand shark. What kind of depth did it get with the 10.5" coil ? Anyone still using one?

I found it maybe slightly deeper on most targets than I would get with an excal or CZ. It was not very verbal. I found the Headhunter Pulse to be about the same depth as the Sandshark but much more verbal meaning it gave me a lot more clues on iron and let me walk away from high probability iron targets with out second guessing myself. The Sandshark was pretty much dig every target.
Then there is the Fisher Impulse AQ. It is a couple inches deeper (in particular it is deeper on the gold range targets by a good bit) and is pretty verbal. Unfortunately it is also more susceptible to interference so there are places I can not use it where I dearly want to use it.
Oh, the coil on the headhunter pulse was also a pretty low drag in the water coil. Here is what it looks like.

 

[kac_dt]

Thinnest coils would swing the best in water as they have the least amount of resistance. Sea Hunter coils cut through water pretty easy and don't get affected by waves much. I assume Excal coils would be similar. Both those have very little features to their shapes.
As far as designing with AI, keep in mind AI only knows what it has in it's database and often gives garbage answers. There is a lot of hype with AI because there is a lot of investor money tied up in it.... one day it will collapse as people start to catch on its mostly bs.