Went out in the rain - artillery button! Age?

[BlackX]

I'll take and post pics of the button tomorrow but I went out to the triangle in the rain after wrapping the heck out of the SE in plastic bags, etc. Found a '36 wheat and what I'm pretty sure is an artillery button. It has crossed cannons(?) and a round shell w/ explosion marks above it. Looks to be copper on the front with possibly an iron back and a copper loop on the back. No other decoration that I can find. In lieu of the later-appearing pic, is that enough info to roughly date it? (The oldest coin I've found here so far is 1900 but the road right next to this spot is at least 200 years old. (Not far from the Battle Road of 1775.))

Oh, got two zincs and two nails too. How exciting.

 

[BlackX]

Can anyone date this button?

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My memory was incorrect. The loop on the back is not copper. I'm wondering if it's stainless steel. A quick google looks to start putting SS in common use in the 1890s, so I'm wondering at this point if it's a WWI button. That would fit within the date range (and depth) of coins I've found here so far.

 

[Ex-Sox]

Looks Civil War to me! I may be wrong but it looks to have the same design that is on the Federal Ordnance buttons. Great find BlackX!! How did that read on the SE??

 

[BlackX]

That would be cool if it was that old but I can't get past thinking stainless steel on that loop.

It reads mainly 8-16 or 9-14 but jumps around a bit elsewhere too. (Just tested it now. I was going mainly by sound last night.)

 

[jeff & Maria]

They were established in 1812, not sure how long they used it. I know it was at least until around 1900. There are many variations from officer to state they served. A good button book should help. Nice find!

 

[NealNoIN]

These are civil war era three piece buttons. Someone with a military button book could probably match yours exactly.
Cool find.
Neal

 

[BlackX]

Someone on the big detecting forum tentatively identified it as a French artillry button. But someone else was noticing differences--as was I. But it is very close. As this image shows. [On my browser, I have to click on the picture to get it to show the comparison animation.]

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The difference could possibly be explained by a very wide-angle lens shot close up or by it being a variation. Or it could be a U.S. imitation as the 2nd person seemed to suggest.