Really enjoying my new Omega..............with the stock 10" Eliptical concentric coil. Seems to work very well. But now I have the new white solid 10" DD coil...as well. When should I use the 10 " DD coil? What benefits does it add to the Omega. I'm told that some detectors just don't function well with a DD coil.......is this true for the Omega?Anyone have any experience , opinions,or tips on the new coil.............advice would be greatly appreciated...Thanks.
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When to use which coil???
- Thread starter Ivan
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For typical trashy park hunting the 10" DD coil is the one I use most often. In fact, that coil probably gets 75 % of my Omega use time as I spend a lot of time hunting trash. I use the 10" concentric for less trashy areas, wood chip tot lots, volley ball courts, ball fields, places where less trash gets tossed. I also have bigger DD coils for my Omega and they get used for field hunting and dry sand beach hunting. DD coils work very, very well on the Omega. HH jim tn
I'll share mine with you, and others, although I am sure many have heard them before ... and often.
1.. fits your needs based upon on the site area to be covered.
2.. fits your needs should you be hunting a trashy site, especially with dense and closely-spaced trash.
3.. is able to fit in and around brush or building rubble.
4.. if the coil can be worked closer to metal structures such as poles or fences.
5.. handles unwanted targets well [size=small](meaning it provides good Discrimination, especially of ferrous type junk)[/size].
6.. especially satisfies you with its fit, feel and performance such that YOU feel you can rely on it.
The best thing you could do is use it, a lot, and learn it and know what it can, and what it can't do for you. In the end, search coil selection should be more of a personal decision we each make for our personal detector or coil selection.
Monte
I got my first Omega in March of 2010 as a 3-coil package. I mainly was interested in the 10" elliptical Concentric coil [size=small](5½x9¾)[/size] and the sub 5" Double-D. I had no interest in the big over 11" length Double-D for the types of hunting I generally do. Besides, I didn't like the feel on the Omega or the in-the-field performance, so I dumped it. The stock elliptical Concentric and little DD coils worked fine and I enjoy using them.Ivan said:
I presume you are referring to the 5"X10" elliptical Double-D as I can't think of a round 10" DD coil for it. I like that coil, basically, and prefer it to the 11" BiAxial [size=small](Double-D)[/size] coil, but only if I really wanted to use a Double-D instead of a Concentric .... and that I seldom want to do, if I have the option.Ivan said:
With the 5X10 DD you would use it just the same as you would any other size and shape and internally designed search coils, and that is by doing this.: Determine if a search coil ...Ivan said:
1.. fits your needs based upon on the site area to be covered.
2.. fits your needs should you be hunting a trashy site, especially with dense and closely-spaced trash.
3.. is able to fit in and around brush or building rubble.
4.. if the coil can be worked closer to metal structures such as poles or fences.
5.. handles unwanted targets well [size=small](meaning it provides good Discrimination, especially of ferrous type junk)[/size].
6.. especially satisfies you with its fit, feel and performance such that YOU feel you can rely on it.
That's a personal call, and involves your decision on how well it provides coverage, depth of detection for the conditions, gives you good Discrimination results, and doesn't leave you wondering if you made the right choice or not. Personally, I like to have a few coils that I have used, learned, and trust. Once I have done that I know if there are any real 'benefits' for me and my types of hunting.Ivan said:
With the Omega, I found the sub-5" DD coil to work reasonably well in most sites, and the all-around performance of the 5" DD was reasonably good for the conditions I hunted.Ivan said:
I would tell people that, compared with Concentric coils of similar size, a Double D coil will usually get a little less depth of detection than a similar size Concentric coil, and DD's do not Discriminate as well as similar-Size concentric coils. Double-D's have more difficulty with iron nails and other ferrous targets, and due to that they have a little jumpier, less accurate VDI read-out.Ivan said:
Bigger DD's might have greater depth than smaller DD's or smaller Concentrics, but for I have never found a DD coil to be superior to a similar-size Concentric coil. Besides, in the long run, 'depth' isn't going to do you much good if a site is very trashy or cluttered with rubble or debris, etc.Ivan said:
Switch to Concentric coils. They, too, will have some challenge with bottle caps and other iron, but not like the DD designs.Ivan said:
That coil has been around now for a couple of years and works 'OK' for many people. MY opinions are just that, m-i-n-e, and I have been a long-time supporter of non-Double-D coils. They have, and continue to, work quite well for me in most conditions I hunt and trash I encounter, so I haven't felt the need to make a change to the 5X10 Double-D coil.Ivan said:
The best thing you could do is use it, a lot, and learn it and know what it can, and what it can't do for you. In the end, search coil selection should be more of a personal decision we each make for our personal detector or coil selection.
Monte
MarkCZ
Well-known member
My Omega didn't like the 10" concentric coil at all! but it does (well did, the whole detector died the other day) much better with the 11" DD coil. The problem with the 11"DD is rusty bottle caps, and it has a little more limited range of sensitivity, but its deeper, ID's better, Reads depth better.
Below is a picture of the display on my Omega when I turn it on now and it stays that way, none of the controls do anything, its off to the creator at this time.
Mark
Below is a picture of the display on my Omega when I turn it on now and it stays that way, none of the controls do anything, its off to the creator at this time.
Mark
As I stated, it is best to use a coil, or coils, and learn what they can and can't do, so that YOU can make a search coil choice based upon your own conclusions.
I also stated that 'Depth' isn't everything because we can't achieve maximum depth of desired targets if there is an abundance of unwanted [size=small](junk)[/size] targets close by, and also if we are using a lot of Discrimination. Also working against us is the use of a fast-motion sweep speed with many 2-filter type detectors, and with search coils that have their own quirky behavior due to search coil size and placement.
I know that many people who use a Double-D coil tend to have more difficulty pinpointing a target well, and that can lead to a larger-size recovery dig. In the case of any elliptical Concentric coil, similar difficulty can be present, even though not as difficult as a DD design, and the larger the coil size, the more challenging it can be. I swapped coils from my Omega to a Delta for a little field experimenting on performance and Ground Balance compatibility, and when doing so I had the Delta's round 8" Concentric off, so I mounted it on my Omega for testing.
With my Omega and with the 8" coil I used, I found that pinpointing was much quicker and accurate, and I seemed to get the same depth-of-detection with the 8" as I got with the elliptical 10" Concentric coil ... and sometimes a little bit more. I ended up using the round 8" Concentric for more open-area searches and the sub-5" Double-D coil for trashier sites, or hunting close to and around metal structures, such as fences or playground pipes and equipment. I also had performance accuracy, functional depth, and ease-of-use that rivaled both the 5X10 DD and 11" Double-D coils, at least for me and the types of sites I generally seek to hunt.
I also kept the stock 5½x9¾ Concentric [size=small](the 10" elliptical stock coil)[/size] on-hand in my coil bag, mounted on a lower rod for quick changes afield.
Monte
I also stated that 'Depth' isn't everything because we can't achieve maximum depth of desired targets if there is an abundance of unwanted [size=small](junk)[/size] targets close by, and also if we are using a lot of Discrimination. Also working against us is the use of a fast-motion sweep speed with many 2-filter type detectors, and with search coils that have their own quirky behavior due to search coil size and placement.
I know that many people who use a Double-D coil tend to have more difficulty pinpointing a target well, and that can lead to a larger-size recovery dig. In the case of any elliptical Concentric coil, similar difficulty can be present, even though not as difficult as a DD design, and the larger the coil size, the more challenging it can be. I swapped coils from my Omega to a Delta for a little field experimenting on performance and Ground Balance compatibility, and when doing so I had the Delta's round 8" Concentric off, so I mounted it on my Omega for testing.
With my Omega and with the 8" coil I used, I found that pinpointing was much quicker and accurate, and I seemed to get the same depth-of-detection with the 8" as I got with the elliptical 10" Concentric coil ... and sometimes a little bit more. I ended up using the round 8" Concentric for more open-area searches and the sub-5" Double-D coil for trashier sites, or hunting close to and around metal structures, such as fences or playground pipes and equipment. I also had performance accuracy, functional depth, and ease-of-use that rivaled both the 5X10 DD and 11" Double-D coils, at least for me and the types of sites I generally seek to hunt.
I also kept the stock 5½x9¾ Concentric [size=small](the 10" elliptical stock coil)[/size] on-hand in my coil bag, mounted on a lower rod for quick changes afield.
Monte
John in Nawth Carolina
Active member
If you're using any 10" coil for trashy areas, you're leaving good targets in the ground.
Having used them both, John, the 5" is like a laser and great in trash, but the 10" DD isn't far behind and for a lot of my spots, I need the added depth of the 10." I find by working good spots from several directions that the 10" DD doesn't leave much behind. HH jim tn
A big thanks to Monte and the gang for your considerate advice. I made the move from Tesoro and I sold off all three of my Tesoros...........(the whole Cazador fiasco did me in).... I'm really, really.... pleased with my Omega and my wife who has been detecting for almost 30 yrs says that she enjoyes the her Delta more than any of her previous detectors.And she has had a lot of good detectors.Thanks Monte for your recommendations regarding the Omega....quality advice from a straight shooter!!!!