Whites Coinmaster 6000 / Di pro battery charger

[lint]

I am new to the forum but not new to detecting I have a Coinmaster 6000 / Di pro and have 3 nicad 4.8v. battery packs.and no charger that works. the number for the charger is'' 509-0020-1'' but cant find one . Whites dont make them anymore .I called .. tracked down the company '' Engineering Design Sales (EDS)'' that made it but they are no longer in business . does anyone know where I can find one or a substitute for it. thank you for any help. sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

 

[leslie]

I don't have the battery or the charger, but I do have and use the

4 c cell standard battery pack, maybe you can still purchase one

of these (see photo ) I also use the battery adapters, they allow me

to use A A rechargeables, someone must have them.

Good Luck in your search.

Les

 

[Dirt slinger]

As leslie said above, unless you specifically want to use only the rechargeable batt packs, the box like leslie shows IS still available, I just bought 2 of them this week. I MAY be able to track down a charger, I'll do some checkin for ya.
Ken.

 

[leslie]

Thats a very kind gesture Ken, maybe Lint will get back to you.

H H

Les

 

[lint]

Thank you Leslie and Dirt Slinger,,,,, I have one of those and have been going with it .just tired of buying batteries ,,lol ,,,,, The reason i have 3 rechargeable nicad packs is because I went to the hobby shop looking for a charger and they had 2 new 4.8 packs and sold them both for 12 dollars,couldn't pass that up.I did get one of my old chargers to work, somewhat, but its the older charger that doesn't cut off after the pac is charged so im always scared to leave the house dont want to burn the pack up.or the house down..and the newer ones cut off after charging . I know some about batteries. but chargers have left me behind. smart charging.and chargers that drain the batteries down first then charge Wow ,,,, and Dirt Slinger if you happen to see one somewhere dont hesitate to contact me. I have found some chargers... Need to put different ends on some but look promising .here are some pics ..and thank you again.any help is greatly appreciated.

http://servocity.com/html/3_6-7_2v_nicad___nimh_peak_cha.html

http://www.all-battery.com/smartuniversalchargerfornimhbatterypack24v-72v.aspx

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11060__HobbyKing_ECO6_50W_5A_Balancer_Charger_w_accessories.html

and more . but i think these could work. but like I said i am a little lost when it comes to chargers.

 

[TerraDigger]

Here's what I use. Plus the battery capacity is about 3x what a White's Ni-Cad is:

http://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-T-1199B-Universal-Battery-Charger/dp/B0019273U8/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1330058617&sr=8-12

http://www.batteryjunction.com/4pcsofcsi50m.html

 

[lint]

Thanks for the input TerraDigger I do have some NIMH BATTERIES with tabs on ,And was going to solder them together and make a pack to charge. The MAH. are around 4000 or 4800, cant remember now,But I was afraid to use them because of the high '' MAH.'',and if it would fry the detector I don't know what the MAH. on the nicad's are ,That came with it, .Do you know if the 6000 has a regulator in it to keep the MAH. steady or can you use a higher MAH. or doesn't it matter what amperage it is.It looks like you are doing OK with the ones you are using .And if anyone knows .chime in please. I cant seem to find a lot about voltage and amperage on these . to be sure . Just bits and peaces,here and there.

 

[Dirt slinger]

Here's what I use. Plus the battery capacity is about 3x what a White's Ni-Cad is:

http://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-T-1199B-Universal-Battery-Charger/dp/B0019273U8/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1330058617&sr=8-12

http://www.batteryjunction.com/4pcsofcsi50m.html

My concern with that, and it may not be a problem, is that there was a paper that came with the batt boxes I got from Whites that said use Alkaline batts only.

 

[leslie]

I have been informed Today that the charger in the pic will

work with all Whites Rechargeable Batteries including the

4.8 Volt Maybe worth checking out.

Les

 

[lint]

Thanks Les,,, Do you happen to know the number of that, I never seen it before.

 

[leslie]

I tried to send you a PM ,forgot you are a new member.

No part number but it is a Whites accessory, so Whites

dealer or Whites themselves would be worth a bell ( telephone )

Let us know how you make out

Les

 

[lint]

Les,,, I was looking at the plug on the charger, it doesn't look like a '' U.S.'' plug? '' United States ''

I am still going to call.

 

[lint]

Thanks Les ,Called Whites. but the charger doesn't work here.

 

[leslie]

I would go with the rechargeables, I use the 2500 mAh 1.2 Volt x 4 and they

work just fine, as a matter of fact I use the same batteries in all of my other

detectors with no problem, the AAs with the plastic battery adapters do lighten

the load a little

H H and take care

Les

 

[lint]

Thanks for the input guy's, I finally got a charger off a friend that he has been charging is 4.8 v pac with it for a year with no problems, he runs hobby car's and planes , so it charges everything .Traded him and old dewalt drill charger for it. So if I go to update to NiHM It well be easy, here is a pic of the charger. No $200 charger but will work for me.


http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6478

 

[leslie]

So pleased you got yourself a charger lint, now get out and find the Goodies

and don't forget to post the pics of your finds.

H H and Good Luck.

Les

 

[stereo3d]

@ lint Will the charger found at HobbyKing charge the White's 6000 Di Series 2 battery pack?

 

[garys relics]

Gettysburg Electronics in Gettysburg PA will have what you would need in Whites chargers and batteries. Don has been in business for over 35 years as a Whites dealer.His phone number is (717) 334-8634. He also has a web site. Gary

 

[lint]

@ lint Will the charger found at HobbyKing charge the White's 6000 Di Series 2 battery pack?

Hi stereo3d i cant remember if that is the 4.8 pack or the 2 pack with 14 AA battery's , But yes it will work.and work good,for a cheap charger. the only thing wrong with the charger is the instructions are a pain in the butt , translated from some other language and didnt come out very great but you can see a video on the site and YouTube abut it. I sold my 6000 and have a xl pro and a mxt pro and moded some packs for the with li ion batt. and it wouldnt work with the new simpler li ion packs ''still works with the lipo's But still use it for other spare 8 pack NiMH packs for my detectors . I finally got a cheap one like this for my li-ion here is one for NiMH and nicad batterys http://www.all-battery.com/smartuniversalchargerfornimhbatterypack24v-72v.aspx

if that pack has a whites plug in you will need to but the end to fit if you get the one from hobbyking ,its only a couple dollars. or get the end to fit from radio shack and make one.

o yeah ''Gettysburg Electronics'' great place and guy.

 

[PSS1963]

A couple of things about charging these battery packs come to mind:

1) Nicads aren't fussy - they don't need a "smart" charger. NiMH are fussy and need special handling. The easiest way to charge those without having the expensive "smart" charger is trickle charge them. Just limit the current to about C/30 or so (about 100mA for a C-cell). NiMH cells are also known for a fairly high self-discharge rate - they lose about 4% of their charge per day just sitting there. This can be countered with a maintenance current of about C/300 (about 8-10mA for a C-cell). This amount of current can be applied indefinitely without hurting them.

2) For Nicads any small DC power adapter with an actual voltage output of 6.4 to say 8 volts (check it with a meter) with a compatible connector (you can change this) and a current rating of 100-300mA will work fine. The 4 C-cell packs that Whites sold for the old 6000s and similar models have a blocking diode to save the cells in case the charger polarity is hooked up backwards. So, to calculate the voltage requirement multiply the number of cells in series [4] by the full charge voltage per cell [1.4] and add the voltage drop for the diode [0.8]: (4 x 1.4) + 0.8 = 6.4 It doesn't hurt to go a little over this (a volt or 2), just don't over do it.

3) The mAH rating of a battery tells you how long it will last for a given load. You can't fry your machine by over doing this number. You could go to D-cells with a much higher mAH rating and the worst that will happen is the weight goes up. However, if you select cells whose mAH rating is too small, your operating time between charges may be unsatisfactorily short. Expect proportionately longer charge times for higher mAH rated cells too.

4) It is possible to damage your machine by applying too high a voltage to it. Keep in mind that the nominal voltage ratings of alkalines and rechargeables are lower than actual voltage for a new or fully charged cells (about 1.4v for rechargeables and 1.6 for alkalines) and take this into account when adding extra cells in series to your battery packs.

5) Voltage regulators like the 3-terminal 78xx series are good for trimming down the output voltage of a charger whose output is too high - you can even shift the output higher than the rated value with a couple of resistors - consult the application notes. Also make sure the regulator has enough "headroom" (the amount by which the input voltage is higher than the desired output voltage). This is usually around 2.5v but consult the apps. notes to be sure. Don't bother using one of these regulators to reduce the voltage of a battery pack that is too high before feeding it to a detector - it will just waste battery power. Its better to cut back the number of cells if its too high.

- pete