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White's Li ion battery mod

akille68

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Ok. This time I make my li-ion mod on a White's 8 AA cells battery Holder.
I used a 12V 3000MAH li-ion battery and a 300 mah fuse to protect my machine from shorts or overvoltage.

a) I dig it a little to get more space to make slide door freely shut after the mod;



b) I did some tries to find the right place of the fuse holder...





Everything in place.




Now I have a much powerful and lighter power system.

Take r.
 
A fuse isn't really needed, as if the detector draws more amps then it should then you've got bigger issues due to component failure. But if you are going to use a fuse, not sure but 300ma sounds a bit too higher to prevent further damage. Most machines I ever measured the amp draw on were very low. The Sovereign GT, for instance, draws about 50ma when not sounding off to a target and about 70ma when it is under load (sounding off to something). Being that your machine is an analog detector, it might very well be it's amp draw is much higher, and then a 300ma fuse would be a good idea depending on what it was. Best way to pick a fuse though would be to measure the amp draw of the detector at full volume, highest sensitivity possible, and while sounding off to a target. Then pick a fuse that is only perhaps 1/4th higher in amp raiting than the amp draw of the machine under highest load conditions. For instance, if the detector draws 100ma max, then I'd should for about a 125ma fuse. Perhaps a little higher (maybe 150ma) to insure against amp spikes at power up which can happen while the components energize.

Either way and regardless, great job on the mod. Detectors seem about 15 to 20 years behind in terms of battery technology. Simply no excuse to still being using nimhs in the factory rechargeable packs, or at least at the prices they often go for as nimhs are very cheap these days, and also at often the low capacity they have when there are nimhs with 2 or 3 times the capacity at very cheap prices, not to mention they often pair the pack with a simple wall transformer that doesn't terminate the charge when done or tell you that or are charging at such a snail's pace that it takes half a day to charge the pack.

I've gone lipo in my GT. Cheap, fast charging, and very light/compact. Lipos are very safe these days thanks to balance chargers.
 
Critter, i tried on my 5900 di pro sl and it has a really strong start kick off that burnt any 200 mah fuse I tested....after the third one I put on a 300 mah.
So I prefer to have an higher mah fuse.
Btw, it should not be necessary because the pcb protection mounted on li-ion battery...but I prefer an extra protection
 
where did you get the battery from? And any reason You went with '' 3000 mah '' and not higher . because I have seen some'' 12V 6800mAh '' that look about the same. and how long do they last hunting? sorry about all the questions But I am like a kid in a candy store window. when I try something new.
 
Wow, it's got a higher amp surge then I suspected at power up. I think they also sell fuses that are designed to hold up to higher amp draws, but will blow if it's a constant higher amp than the actual raiting of the fuse. Slow blow fuses or something like that, but I'm not sure...
 
lint said:
where did you get the battery from? And any reason You went with '' 3000 mah '' and not higher . because I have seen some'' 12V 6800mAh '' that look about the same. and how long do they last hunting? sorry about all the questions But I am like a kid in a candy store window. when I try something new.

Hello,
I got it on Epay. The higher the capacity the thicker is the pack. I think that a 3000 mah is the max you can put in that battery holder. I suppose that it will last 40h of detecting before inner protection shut it off. It is lighter than an alkaline pack. Fully charged it is on 12,46V. An alkaline pack is about 12,76V.


@ Critter
The 200 ma fuses blown on the di pro sl, this pack is for an MXT PRO, and I do not believe that it has a strong power up. I will try with fuse with lower ma...
They are F (fast) fuses. Btw a short creates an overvoltage of many amperes, so a 300 ma F should do the work well, with no worries that it leaves U for a voltage peak, when your're outside detecting in the middle of nowhere...

Take r.
 
Truly I hate to be a pain but where did you get the plug and play fuse holder I can cut and solder my own but that looks so easy.and part number if you have it
 
Those are available at any auto parts store. I think Sears has them too. I use those on all our trucks at work any time I add something electrical.
 
Thanks Dodqe, are you saying that its just a regular fuse link and he put the female end plug on?
 
lint said:
Truly I hate to be a pain but where did you get the plug and play fuse holder I can cut and solder my own but that looks so easy.and part number if you have it

Hello,
i don't think there is a part no. but is of common use.
Here is a shot of a fuse holder opened

 
What are you using for a charger? What's the cost on Ebay?
 
I found the one akille68 got on ebay for 18 dollars and comes with charger. it says on the battery dc 123000 just like the pic above make sure it has the'' dc'' on it some of them have 3 letters not sure what they are. I found 4 sellers that have them.
 
here is how I did mine.I cut off the voltage out plug and wired it direct ,I used my old battery box that had a hole for the charger in it and weird it to the plug .but my charger would not work for some reason, and had to take the female plug out of the box , then I just ,then I just laid the female plug from the battery in the spot where the hole was for the old plug,''had to cut a little notch in the plastic to get it to go down in but it just clips in now and is tight '' not pretty'' but tight, and I am using the charger that came with it . Im not sure yet if it is a quick charger or not. wish ,my charger worked with it.... But cheap and simple. 16 dollars and 90 cent in it.Had to cut the stop bump off the cover too. and I had to use a razor blade after cutting the battery supports out to thin the box some to get the lid to shut.''my dermal quit on me. but I use the razor like a drawl knife held it straight up and and pulled it across the bottom work a lot faster than the dermal, it just wanted to melt the box.and it was still a little tight getting the box shut. but not enough to hurt the battery . only hunted for and hr. but works great so far now to see how long it will last and how long it takes to charge. Thats my other 8AA home made box in the pic too
 
Just a update on my mod ... The packs I got .only last about 8 hr. each . sold one to a friend he gets about 9 out of it stays up above 11 volts . till the end then just drops of to nothing. Some may be better than mine , But have found some bad write ups, will put links to them .But dont know if the will be taken off.

http://ve2zaz.net/blog/index.php?/archives/13-A-too-good-to-be-true-6800-mAh-Li-Ion-12V-battery-pack....html

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/13429

if the are taken off type....''A "too good to be true" 6800 mAh Li-Ion 12V battery pack...''

''Digusting Practice - super rechargeable li-ion battery st-1218 pack''

I will be taking it apart latter to see what they look like.
 
Not's too bad. The RNB 2900mah runs 20+ hours in my V3i. A LI ION 2200mah pack in my Minelab SE runs forever. Goes to show all LI ION aren't equal.
 
20 0n the V3i is great .I just hate to pay that much for The RNB 2900mah . I was hoping for more on this pack,, I get more out of my ''NI Mh'' 8 AA pack. ''O well ''
 
That sound strange to me, on my musketeer with countinuos threshold and no headphones it lasted not less than 17 hours, and still had some juice before I turned it off.
I will try it on my mxt pro...are you sure that you did not shorted it making the connections to the panel mount plug?
 
Please, also consider that li ion 3s batteries cannot be undercharged below 9 volts, or they could burn or not be able to maintain the original capacity.
Btw, for that price i could be happy with them, considering that i put them on charge before every hunting...
 
That's why there should be a PCB in the pack. My pack can't be run too low.
 
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