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WHITES NEW DETECTOR
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[size=large]Auto-Trac, along with a number of other really good features. I checked it out at White's yesterday, but want to get one so I can put it through the paces in actual in-the-field hunting. I think it will do well. It has some functions not found on my M6, or on an XLT, and I don't think it will replace my M6 for several reasons. However, I think that down the road I might want to have it for some quick work in the woodchip playgrounds, as well as for a unit to use as a loaner. I was going to go with something else (a competitor's model even 
) but with what White's has brought us now, and will certainly likely be addressing, the Prizm 6T is going to do more than be a handy unit for friends, family, and stranger to use.
The 6T uses 8-AA batteries in a new battery tray that is similar, but different, from the ones we've used since '94's XLT release. With this new battery housing it counters the coil weight and the Prizm balances much better, in my opinion.
Instead of having 8 TID 'zones' or 'segments' it has 9. The extra is on the LOW end, where you'll see a "horseshoe" and then "nail" to represent large iron and small iron, providing a little better acceptance down into the upper-end of the ferrous range. You can now accept or reject ALL 9 TID zones with the push of a touch pad and are not limited to only the lower-end targets.
The Auto-Trac circuity is fast, and works in a manner similar to the M6 and MXT in that you can 'Lock' a GB setting, yet the circuitry continues to monitor changes and you can quickly 'update' the setting.
In the Pinpoint or All Metal operating modes you have VCO audio which I usually like to use. However, unlike the VCO audio on the MXT and M6 pinpoint modes, you can opt to turn OFF the VCO audio with the 6T.
In addition to the upper 9 Icons, the 6T provides you with a VDI number representation. No, not 9 numbers, but a wide range of VDI numbers similar to the M6 and MXT. They are not the same specific number as on the others, but then the M6 and MXT are not the same numbers as found on the XLT, for example.
On the subject of numbers, on the left side of the display, on the housing, is an indication of 0-to-10+ for coin depth read-out, but when you go into the momentary Pinpoint mode/function, the larger, easy-to-read VDI numbers will display the coin depths in
) but with what White's has brought us now, and will certainly likely be addressing, the Prizm 6T is going to do more than be a handy unit for friends, family, and stranger to use.The 6T uses 8-AA batteries in a new battery tray that is similar, but different, from the ones we've used since '94's XLT release. With this new battery housing it counters the coil weight and the Prizm balances much better, in my opinion.
Instead of having 8 TID 'zones' or 'segments' it has 9. The extra is on the LOW end, where you'll see a "horseshoe" and then "nail" to represent large iron and small iron, providing a little better acceptance down into the upper-end of the ferrous range. You can now accept or reject ALL 9 TID zones with the push of a touch pad and are not limited to only the lower-end targets.
The Auto-Trac circuity is fast, and works in a manner similar to the M6 and MXT in that you can 'Lock' a GB setting, yet the circuitry continues to monitor changes and you can quickly 'update' the setting.
In the Pinpoint or All Metal operating modes you have VCO audio which I usually like to use. However, unlike the VCO audio on the MXT and M6 pinpoint modes, you can opt to turn OFF the VCO audio with the 6T.
In addition to the upper 9 Icons, the 6T provides you with a VDI number representation. No, not 9 numbers, but a wide range of VDI numbers similar to the M6 and MXT. They are not the same specific number as on the others, but then the M6 and MXT are not the same numbers as found on the XLT, for example.
On the subject of numbers, on the left side of the display, on the housing, is an indication of 0-to-10+ for coin depth read-out, but when you go into the momentary Pinpoint mode/function, the larger, easy-to-read VDI numbers will display the coin depths in
I still thinks Whites is going in the wrong direction. If Whites was going to keep lower feq. detectors in the line up why in the world didn't they stay with the 6.59 freq. with all the available coils and accessories already out there? New is not always better. Bring back the performance of the 5900/6000 series with all the same functions and features but add a selectable 2 or 4 filter switch. same 6.59 khz. freq.with smaller analog meter in the M6/MXT size meter case. Even though I love analog meters the meter style itself is less important than the performance and available functions of these great old detectors. If a analog meter is a no can do the M6 style meter or IDX Pro style with a depth meter added will suffice.
First off, I agree with your assertions and it would make a lot of sense for us as users. However, using the currently practiced business model, you'll sell more if you don't have backwards compatibility, especially in a niche market like this. Sad, but true. I for one, want to see if it comes to close to having the depth and reliability of the MXT, without all the weight. For me, when somebody produces a digital machine like that I'll be all over it. If there's one reason I would stay with Whites it would be their willingness to test the daylights out of what they develop and up to now do not release something to market before a lot of the bugs have been worked out (like the new Fisher).
Canewrap, I'm sure it's good business for them but I'm not one to jump on every new detector that comes out. I already know what works for me in my ground and the type of hunting that I do. You won't find a bigger Whites fan than me , I've been using them for many years but the last new Whites model I bought was the XL Pro. I didn't even bat an eye when the MXT/M6 came out. I'm not a fan of high freq. detectors in bad ground. The reason the DD coils have become so popular is because of all the new high gain high freq. detectors that have come out the last few years. The DD coils will get you slightly better performance with these detectors in bad ground but not enough at least for me to own one for coin and relic hunting. As for the new Prism 6T I'll wait and see if it offers anything new or better than what I use now.
I hope Whites supports the new release of the 6T with accessory coils. I think this was/is the down fall of the Prizm series. They at least should release a 4 and/or 6 inch coil for the Prizms. Other than that it looks like Whites has answered the mid range general purpose detector issues. I'm so happy they got rid of the smart notch! Monty - do you know what the P6t weighs?
[size=large]Without a doubt the lack of a smaller-than-stock accessory coil is one of the main gripes that I have had with the Prizm's, as have many others, but the upper-level folks at White's just didn't get that message from the dealers so, if finger pointing, we have to point and give a shame-on-you scolding to the many dealers who have not promoted the Prizm's or really most lower-end models, like the Classic series.khouse said:
Sadly, I know that too many dealers seem to 'push' just the upper end models. many don't even detect, or detect much, and when they do many have relied on an upper-end model to help promote their sales. Since they didn't use or promote the "budget models" they didn't pass along the need for a smaller coil. As I stated, I am going to pick up a new Prizm 6T fairly soon, and I'm sure I'll have a smaller coil mounted to it before too long as well.[/size]
[size=large]Like the other Prizm models, the 6T has a notch segment form of discrimination rather than a variable discriminate circuitry. Different from the others, however, is the addition of a 9th segment on the lower end for large iron, AND the ability to accept or reject each or any of these segments and not just those on the lower half.khouse said:
Sorry, but I don't have the weight of the Prizm 6T, and like other models, those stats are not shown in the Owner's Manual. While it is slightly heavier than the others that are powered by 2 ea. 9V batteries, I think it balances much better. It feels fine to me, and works even better. That's why I quickly decided to change my order of purchase as I restructure my personal detector battery.
The 6T has some functions that I wish were found on the M6 and MXT. There is a difference in the performance between the M6/MXT and the Prizm series, but the 6T is different from the others Prizm's and seems to only share the control housing, rod configuration, and operating frequency and coil selection. It's that different in performance with what it offers and comparing the response time and such.
Monte[/size]
Hi Monte, and others interested in the coil problem.
It's not that they dropped the ball, it's the end user that dropped the ball. Manufactures are very reluctant to produce accessory coils, because of the overall poor accessory coil sales. If they produce say 1000 of one detector, and 100 accessory coils for it, it would be surprising if 10 or 12 coils would get sold for it. I have been in contact in recent years with quite a few manufactures, and the accessory coil has come up. Always there's a comment about the over stock of accessory coils available. They just don't sell well. Yes, guys like you & I would purchase them, but most detectorest don't purchase accessory coils, or for that fact accessories at all.
The price range of the detector has the greatest affect on accessory sales. High priced detectors, those in the $800 and up ranges, have the highest percentage of accessory sales. Detectors in the low ranges, like up to $500 or so, one would have a hard job convincing them to purchase $19.95 headphones, never mind $100. coils.
Now, this is just a generalization of the facts to make the post short & easy, but I think most would understand what I'm getting at.
You all have a nice day.
Then why didn't Whites make the Prizms run at the old 6.59 kHZ and move some more accessory coils that's collecting dust on the shelves? Why come up with a new frequency without any accessory coils? Just because they made special detectors for Kellyco with a different frequency doesn't mean the rest of us wanted it too. Either make the Prizms run at 6.59 or 14 kHZ like the Matrix series. This way Whites wouldn't have to build new accessory coils. This would save Whites money and make them money at the same time.
[size=large]Bill, you're right, and there are other inputs that manufacturer's listen to.
For years all we have heard is depth, depth and more depth, and the manufacturers responded by producing stock coils larger than a round 8" design in many/most cases. As for the operating frequency, I have been fine with the 6.59 kHz for a long time, and anyone with an XL Pro or a Classic III or IDX Pro can easily hold their own against most models offered today, regardless of operating frequency or features.
But a bulk of the detector buyers never really get 'hooked' like most of us on the forums., The bulk buy them and rely on the stock coil because they are just occasional detector users and seldom venture out into challenging environments where a coil selection would be to their benefit.
But I know from manufacturer/dealer seminars in the past, as well as some recent comments made to me, that the management powers that make decisions that run the companies will ask the deal base for suggestions, and if the dealer is not sending the message, it just doesn't hit home. This has been the case, in past, with the Prizm series. They were initially designed by someone who had a thought or concept of what might 'fit' the market needs to fill a void in sales. In this case, the Prizm's were intended to replace the Classic series that had slow sales. It;s my opinion that some of the responsibility for the slower sales were due to the fact that too many dealers just didn't know what they could do and failed to promote them.
Fast forward to today and we have to face reality. The reality is that some metal parts are going to plastic for a cost savings. the reality is that the consumer base is looking for digital and not analog displays, and the cost factor is vastly in favor of the digital display designs. Then look, too, at what has been offered by White's. We've seen the thick 8" go to a thinner design, and we have seen the thin, but unrepairable 950 go to an improved, serviceable design. A good friend and I were detecting the other day and he will not go with a 5.3 BullsEye on his IDX Pro, for example. Why not? Because he thinks it's ugly with that thick-body design. Frankly, I tend to agree and know that I favor a lighter and/or thinner coil.
But we've seen the Prizm series get an "upgrade" with the move to the 9" open spoked coils on the newer models, and I think they look good, and work well. I like them over the 950 design, and that is the 'trend' in marketing as well. It will be interesting to see what new smaller coil White's will bring us next and I'd think one will come along to replace the present 5.3 Eclipse and also be offered in a frequency to be compatible with the Prizm series, too.
But in one meeting, as I was recently informed, where the management meets with a lot of dealers, the question came up about a smaller coil for the Prizm series and most dealers, the vast majority, were silent. n Either they didn't detect much themselves to really appreciate the merits of a smaller-than-stock coil, or they haven't been getting the requests from the end consumers for a smaller Prizm coil. I think that's been the main reason why it's been slow to see a move in that direction.
But with this top-performing Prixm 6T and all the good and useful control functions it has, it only makes sense that White;'s is going to have to give it a better coil selection for end users to get the full benefit out of it.
I know I'll have a 6T soon, and I think I'll let the wife know a smaller coil is on my Christmas 'wish list." Just hope Santa's helpers are working on one for me.
Monte[/size]
For years all we have heard is depth, depth and more depth, and the manufacturers responded by producing stock coils larger than a round 8" design in many/most cases. As for the operating frequency, I have been fine with the 6.59 kHz for a long time, and anyone with an XL Pro or a Classic III or IDX Pro can easily hold their own against most models offered today, regardless of operating frequency or features.
But a bulk of the detector buyers never really get 'hooked' like most of us on the forums., The bulk buy them and rely on the stock coil because they are just occasional detector users and seldom venture out into challenging environments where a coil selection would be to their benefit.
But I know from manufacturer/dealer seminars in the past, as well as some recent comments made to me, that the management powers that make decisions that run the companies will ask the deal base for suggestions, and if the dealer is not sending the message, it just doesn't hit home. This has been the case, in past, with the Prizm series. They were initially designed by someone who had a thought or concept of what might 'fit' the market needs to fill a void in sales. In this case, the Prizm's were intended to replace the Classic series that had slow sales. It;s my opinion that some of the responsibility for the slower sales were due to the fact that too many dealers just didn't know what they could do and failed to promote them.
Fast forward to today and we have to face reality. The reality is that some metal parts are going to plastic for a cost savings. the reality is that the consumer base is looking for digital and not analog displays, and the cost factor is vastly in favor of the digital display designs. Then look, too, at what has been offered by White's. We've seen the thick 8" go to a thinner design, and we have seen the thin, but unrepairable 950 go to an improved, serviceable design. A good friend and I were detecting the other day and he will not go with a 5.3 BullsEye on his IDX Pro, for example. Why not? Because he thinks it's ugly with that thick-body design. Frankly, I tend to agree and know that I favor a lighter and/or thinner coil.
But we've seen the Prizm series get an "upgrade" with the move to the 9" open spoked coils on the newer models, and I think they look good, and work well. I like them over the 950 design, and that is the 'trend' in marketing as well. It will be interesting to see what new smaller coil White's will bring us next and I'd think one will come along to replace the present 5.3 Eclipse and also be offered in a frequency to be compatible with the Prizm series, too.
But in one meeting, as I was recently informed, where the management meets with a lot of dealers, the question came up about a smaller coil for the Prizm series and most dealers, the vast majority, were silent. n Either they didn't detect much themselves to really appreciate the merits of a smaller-than-stock coil, or they haven't been getting the requests from the end consumers for a smaller Prizm coil. I think that's been the main reason why it's been slow to see a move in that direction.
But with this top-performing Prixm 6T and all the good and useful control functions it has, it only makes sense that White;'s is going to have to give it a better coil selection for end users to get the full benefit out of it.
I know I'll have a 6T soon, and I think I'll let the wife know a smaller coil is on my Christmas 'wish list." Just hope Santa's helpers are working on one for me.
Monte[/size]
[size=large]Like you, I wish they would have stayed with the 6.59 kHz frequency, but then look at the models that still operated at that frequency but the older coils didn't carry over. There were changes other than just the operating frequency. I thought they were going in the wrong direction with the Prizm series in trying to promote them as a 'replacement' for the Classic series, but the performance just wasn't there for me. I will have to say the new 6T works better, and differently, from the other Prizm models.[/size]crazyman said:
[size=large]Again, like you, I miss the good analog models they offered, and for sure the XL Pro was the best since it provided excellent field performance, a lighter and better balanced package, and could be adjusted (Signal Balance) to work reasonably slow. I could do without a 22-filter/4-filter switch. That concept was used on the Compass Challenger X-100 and, while it worked, it didn't work all that well.crazyman said:
I have felt the M6 was more of a "replacement" for the Classic series, but now I feel we are seeing a better replacement with the Prizm 6T. An All Metal search mode that isn't on the M6. It is like an improved IDX Pro in the way of display features and operating qualities, and you know me and that is not an easy thing for me to say. I'll buy one soon, use it and make sure I am comfortable with saying what I just said, but from my initial impressions of the Prizm 6T, I think I can look at it as a step in the right direction from White's and is a serious competitor to replace the spot the IDX Pro occupied.
Time will tell, as well as field-time. Maybe I'll make a trip up your way after I have one in hand and we can work together to put the new 6T through the paces in some serious ghost town type hunting against an 'experienced' IDX Pro?
Whatch think? Monte[/size]
Since I'm always skeptical about anything new I'm always happy to let someone else do the dirty work and test these new detectors. Hell, I just a got my first cell phone recently. Monty, one of the reasons I value your opinions when it comes to detectors and their performance in the field is because you and I generally hunt under the same conditions. 90% of my hunting is done in areas that have an abundance of large and small iron such as ghost towns and logging camps but most importantly we live in an area with some challenging ground conditions. Hot/cold rocks? are also an issue in my area along with fast changing ground conditions in some areas up here. I'm kinda selfish in that I want a detector that will do it all. One that will handle the iron, the rocks and the not so kind mineralized ground. Using a simple feature like the GEB Sat mode on my 5900/6000 has brought me some great finds in areas that a lot of detectors would not work. As an example last year we were hunting an old mill town site that had a big store that was built on pilings out over the water with a large dock. The beach had a carpet of both large and small very mineralized rocks mixed with large and small iron and wet saltwater sand with a shallow clay layer. It could only be hunted at very low tides.The guys that I was hunting with were using detectors that couldn't handle these conditions and retreated to better ground. I was using my 5900 in the GEB Sat mode and small coil inching along while watching the meter. It was slow and tedious but I pulled a number old coins and tokens out of that area. The GEB Sat mode in this case along the 5900's other features enabled the detector to run fairly smooth while handling the salt, sand and mineralized rocks. Using some of newer high freq. high gain detectors that have come out in most cases but not all would be taking a step backwards for me. You better wait until they come out with the small coil before heading up my way because the areas I hunt are not good areas for a big spoked coil. Your liable to put an eye out or something when it gets tangled up in the brush.
I don't understand the logic here. The difference between an operating frequency of 6.5 and 8.0? is not really enough to make a difference in actual performance so if they are hesitant about spending money on accessories why not just keep the 6.5 freq. and let us that need them use what we already have. Since I already have the coils I would probably be more apt to buy the new 6T now instead waiting for the coils that may or may not come out depending on dealer feedback or sales.
[size=large]a smaller-than-stock coil with me as well.
Many readers here some of us talk about the dirty-bad-nasty ground we have to deal with and just don't understand what we're implying. The reality of it, however, is that there are a LOT of detectors made today that just do not work in our ground, which is why we seldom, if ever, see them in use around here.
The 5900 Di Pro SL, second to the XL pro, are my favorite older 4-filter models and, as you noted, when equipped properly, worked efficiently, and with ample patience, they are a force to be reckoned with!
That said, there are some other models that I like in our bad ground, and especially when hunting in iron-infested old sites. I have a feeling that White's is going to be the talk-of-the-town, and off the forums, in the coming months and the new Prizm 6T is going to be part of those discussions. Tiem will tell, but I think an 8.1 kHz models can do every bit as well as a 6.59 kHz unit, if all the right circuitry design is done. This isn't like the other Prizm's, and while I only had a brief encounter with it, I am going to get one because a gut-feeling says I need to, as well as want to. There will be a niche for it, I'm sure.
Monte[/size]
Many readers here some of us talk about the dirty-bad-nasty ground we have to deal with and just don't understand what we're implying. The reality of it, however, is that there are a LOT of detectors made today that just do not work in our ground, which is why we seldom, if ever, see them in use around here.
The 5900 Di Pro SL, second to the XL pro, are my favorite older 4-filter models and, as you noted, when equipped properly, worked efficiently, and with ample patience, they are a force to be reckoned with!
That said, there are some other models that I like in our bad ground, and especially when hunting in iron-infested old sites. I have a feeling that White's is going to be the talk-of-the-town, and off the forums, in the coming months and the new Prizm 6T is going to be part of those discussions. Tiem will tell, but I think an 8.1 kHz models can do every bit as well as a 6.59 kHz unit, if all the right circuitry design is done. This isn't like the other Prizm's, and while I only had a brief encounter with it, I am going to get one because a gut-feeling says I need to, as well as want to. There will be a niche for it, I'm sure.
Monte[/size]
reddirtfisher
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My 2 Cents........I think the answer to this problem is simple. Whites should stop relying on the dealer's opinions exclusively and should start reading these forums. They should also poll the CUSTOMERS and ask them what they want and need in a new detector. Whites should have created the Prism 6T first and ran it at 6.59 khz and offered a small 6 inch searchcoil...WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT? 
It just seems like common sense to me. The real users out in the field don't like to have to buy new accessory coils with every new model that comes out. That is one thing I like about Bounty Hunter detector's main line. They all run at the same frequency and the company offers a 4 inch and 10 inch accessory coil. This whole thing is kinda nauseating to me because just like politics those in control just don't listen to the average Joe. Whewww!!! 
Best wishes, RDF 
