Why do they say Deus is not good in modern trash?

[enderman]

If you guys are wondering what the TIDs are,
A: I don't know.
B: Numbers don't matter and
C: Numbers are for suckers.

And therein lies the reason you say the Deus does fine in modern trash. Might as well buy your a beep-N-dig.

As a very selective hunter, not by choice mind you, when I bend over it's got to be worth the dig. Numbers DO matter, and if they are not reliable it is worthless to me.

Do you think I have never beeped and dug before?

There is no comparison. I can say that with the upmost confidence as I tried my best at that site this year with a top of the line beep and dig. No sane person can do more then 2 or 3 short hunts with a beep and dig at this site, it's just not practical or fun.

To add to this, the numbers are based off the audio, so the numbers will never be better, only worse then the audio. It's second hand information.

If numbers are so important, can you tell us what number(s) my gold rings are?

 

[enderman]

Tones trump numbers on FBS and other machines as well and they also trump the digital R2D2 language of the Deus.

Coin hunters , or those who hunt in modern trash , are probably more astute to the tones of a machine than a relic type , dig everything , ferrous vs non ferrous , 2 tone carpet of nails relic detectorist. The Deus does indeed have a "round sound" that is very informative but a great deal of modern trash can sound round. Other machines are much better at saying "it's round , but also trash" than the Deus. I hunt the Deus in cleaner modern settings frequently and with excellent success using full tones , but when the can slaw and the aluminum screw caps get thick , it goes back in the truck and the etrac/CTX duo come out because they are just flat better in that scenario.

Just curious why leave the aluminum screw caps, up here that leaves out big gold rings, large cents, musket balls and all the deep and small silver?

Deep silver is in the low 30s on the etrac. I've dug silver coins with the etrac where the first number was bigger then the second, lol. Not being a dink just keeping it in perspective.

 

[sprchng]

Keep on digging enderman
I'm usually good for about 200 recoveries on a decent hunt and typically come out with 150 coins , jewelry or "good" targets. Why lower the percentage digging the Al caps?

 

[enderman]

Keep on digging enderman
I'm usually good for about 200 recoveries on a decent hunt and typically come out with 150 coins , jewelry or "good" targets. Why lower the percentage digging the Al caps?

I mentioned above why one would want to dig 30s with a Minelab. Perhaps the goal is just coffee money and time spent?

Something doesn't seem right with your numbers, we would need some clarification. I know the Minelabs very well.
I'm not sure what you define as "coins" jewelry or good targets, but it can't be too exciting of a hunt if you're skipping the best round sounds because the etrac doesn't see the small stuff very well at all. So by jewelry you must mean mostly brass and some silver rings?

Assuming you are in the USA means that your clad digging is very easy, especially if one wanted 150 a day. So for old coins you must be relying on shallow coins because there is no way you have your ears on properly to hear the deep stuff if you're blasting out 150 copper tones in a hunt. FBS is a 1.5kHz trick pony, yawn inducing, very out of place in the modern trash, IMO, again depends on what your goals are. Though if you have that much invested in machines lets not B.S. each other you want more then clad and shallow mostly modern silver.

The Deus is a very liberating machine.

 

[BarryL]

I fig way more with Deus than my Etrac but I don't mind because my elbow never hurts with Deus

What do you mean you **fig** way more with Deus? What is "fig"?

I think he meant "find"

 

[BarryL]

I fig way more with Deus than my Etrac but I don't mind because my elbow never hurts with Deus

What do you mean you **fig** way more with Deus? What is "fig"?

I think he meant "find"

nope he meant digs more My Bad

 

[BarryL]

I know from your post that you are not a novice with the Deus . So with that being said and from the pic you posted is the program settings you use secret because I don't figure your using the preprogrammed settings . I am new to the Deus but not new to detecting been doing it for over 30 years .Have used Mine labs as well as Garretts and Whites , Fishers and Tesoros most Beep and Dig units of each brand I do pay more attention to tones and the crispness of the tones rather than the numbers but do use the TID as well , so if its not a secret could you post your settings going to try it the first time tomorrow or should I just use the Basic 2 program which from the manual states will help eliminate bottle caps if I read it right Thanks

 

[Blank Planet]

think spot has a whole heap more to do with good finds than some secret program can have all the secret programs but if the stuffs not there the programs don't make it and spit it out the end of the coil

I do agree with one thing the Deus has sound nuances that makes it easier to leave canslaw behind , but its a spot 1st, detector and its user 2nd.

so look for the right spots 1st

BP

 

[calabash digger]

The programs are NOT secret its a machine and it has settings that change it performance wise. Ask and someone will give you a number of programs but they must just be your base and you MUST learn the machine well enough to set it up for your sites if you want to master it. What type of site you hunting? iron? etc?

 

[enderman]

I don't mind sharing the program(s).

Is it the site or the machine? As mentioned I've hit this site with other machines, it's a night and day difference. A friend of mine was also beep and digging there for most of the summer with no luck, now he has a Deus and is hittin it.

Actually Calabash is running the machine right IMO. See, the Deus isn't nearly as complicated as it seems at first. These programs are more alike then different. Deus fast ilk.

Here is what I have on the puck right now.

11: Calabash relic.
12: Gary's sifter
13: Calabash relic hot
14: Gary's sifter hot.
15: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 86, TX 1, -1 silencer.
16: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 90, TX 2, -1 silencer
17: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 93, TX 3, -1 silencer
18: My "deep park" which is just like Calabash Relic but with -1 silencer.

I mostly use the sweet 16 program which you can consider "Deus moderately fast" as a general purpose setting. (~70% of the time)
When the trash gets dense I switch to Gary's sifter which is absolutely brilliant. (~30% of the time)

Last hunt I was playing with "sifter hot" to punch a little further between the aluminum in search of fainter high conductors.

I alternate between working deep in the clearer areas then dive into the trash, then back out to the clearer areas, mostly dictated by my mood and finds.

There are some other previously fruitful sites I would like to go back to, try and work some of the deeper "relic" settings more but I'm having too much fun right now, this site might only be here for a limited time.

I've been getting coins a jewellery and other sites too, just nothing notable yet, (8-10lbs of coins and junkers) but with patience they will produce.

Also my water and relic season is just kicking into high gear. Gary's sifter program is ridiculous close to the shoreline where the iron is thick. This spot is machine-gun nail zone, the predominate wind blows the ice on that shore which melts and drops nails and stuff from ice fishing etc. I'm talking 20-30 iron farts per swing, not exaggerating. (Granted some are probably shallow "double beeps" but you get the idea it's thick)
The problem with this site with a Minelab or a beep and dig with a small coil is that when the target moves it disappears in the iron with those machines.(Do to nulling.) With the Deus full tones I can chase the target making them easier to recover. See the conditions I look for are clay, which can be hard to scoop stuff from.

 

[BarryL]

I don't mind sharing the program(s).

Is it the site or the machine? As mentioned I've hit this site with other machines, it's a night and day difference. A friend of mine was also beep and digging there for most of the summer with no luck, now he has a Deus and is hittin it.

Actually Calabash is running the machine right IMO. See, the Deus isn't nearly as complicated as it seems at first. These programs are more alike then different. Deus fast ilk.

Here is what I have on the puck right now.

11: Calabash relic.
12: Gary's sifter
13: Calabash relic hot
14: Gary's sifter hot.
15: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 86, TX 1, -1 silencer.
16: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 90, TX 2, -1 silencer
17: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 93, TX 3, -1 silencer
18: My "deep park" which is just like Calabash Relic but with -1 silencer.

I mostly use the sweet 16 program which you can consider "Deus moderately fast" as a general purpose setting. (~70% of the time)
When the trash gets dense I switch to Gary's sifter which is absolutely brilliant. (~30% of the time)

Last hunt I was playing with "sifter hot" to punch a little further between the aluminum in search of fainter high conductors.

I alternate between working deep in the clearer areas then dive into the trash, then back out to the clearer areas, mostly dictated by my mood and finds.

There are some other previously fruitful sites I would like to go back to, try and work some of the deeper "relic" settings more but I'm having too much fun right now, this site might only be here for a limited time.

I've been getting coins a jewellery and other sites too, just nothing notable yet, (8-10lbs of coins and junkers) but with patience they will produce.

Also my water and relic season is just kicking into high gear. Gary's sifter program is ridiculous close to the shoreline where the iron is thick. This spot is machine-gun nail zone, the predominate wind blows the ice on that shore which melts and drops nails and stuff from ice fishing etc. I'm talking 20-30 iron farts per swing, not exaggerating. (Granted some are probably shallow "double beeps" but you get the idea it's thick)
The problem with this site with a Minelab or a beep and dig with a small coil is that when the target moves it disappears in the iron with those machines.(Do to nulling.) With the Deus full tones I can chase the target making them easier to recover. See the conditions I look for are clay, which can be hard to scoop stuff from.

Thanks and I do like and respect Calabash, very informative and I can tell he is very well known and respected . watch all his vids over and over . I guess I will just play with the settings in my area and go from there . Also right now it is Version 3.2 but after this weekend I will be sending it in to get a facelift and upgraded to 4.0 . I am not a relic hunter persay . I hunt mainly lots where old houses were and such so they are trashy . Anyway thanks for the replies and help . I will either Like it or Hate it . by the way Calabash I watched a video with you and your friend Eric testing a program for deep silver nice video

 

[enderman]

Just to add to my previous post, the "beep and dig" machines null just like the big Minelabs, you just can't hear it.

2 main reasons why Deus nonferrous hunting is more productive then beep and dig.

-Beep and digs null (Or any machine running discrimination)
-Discrimination on Beep and Dig masks targets next to iron.

Add to this that Beep and Digs false a lot off the edge of moderately sized iron, which leads to users chasing a phantom target next to iron that would have been otherwise IDed correctly as iron with a full tone machine.

Minelab Excalibur does not have an iron tone when running full tones disc, only a null.

That being said a Minelab null is still better then a Beep and Dig because at least with the null you aware enough to slow down in iron and be disciplined, the null IS the iron tone. People think these Beep and Digs are soo fast and great but they aren't, ignorance is bliss they say.

So this Deus gizmo has no nulling, iron ID and deals with masking much better because of this. Add to the fact you can crank the reactivity to get tighter resolution on co-located targets things get real interesting.

 

[enderman]

I don't mind sharing the program(s).

Is it the site or the machine? As mentioned I've hit this site with other machines, it's a night and day difference. A friend of mine was also beep and digging there for most of the summer with no luck, now he has a Deus and is hittin it.

Actually Calabash is running the machine right IMO. See, the Deus isn't nearly as complicated as it seems at first. These programs are more alike then different. Deus fast ilk.

Here is what I have on the puck right now.

11: Calabash relic.
12: Gary's sifter
13: Calabash relic hot
14: Gary's sifter hot.
15: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 86, TX 1, -1 silencer.
16: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 90, TX 2, -1 silencer
17: 2.5 reactivity, Sens 93, TX 3, -1 silencer
18: My "deep park" which is just like Calabash Relic but with -1 silencer.

I mostly use the sweet 16 program which you can consider "Deus moderately fast" as a general purpose setting. (~70% of the time)
When the trash gets dense I switch to Gary's sifter which is absolutely brilliant. (~30% of the time)

Last hunt I was playing with "sifter hot" to punch a little further between the aluminum in search of fainter high conductors.

I alternate between working deep in the clearer areas then dive into the trash, then back out to the clearer areas, mostly dictated by my mood and finds.

There are some other previously fruitful sites I would like to go back to, try and work some of the deeper "relic" settings more but I'm having too much fun right now, this site might only be here for a limited time.

I've been getting coins a jewellery and other sites too, just nothing notable yet, (8-10lbs of coins and junkers) but with patience they will produce.

Also my water and relic season is just kicking into high gear. Gary's sifter program is ridiculous close to the shoreline where the iron is thick. This spot is machine-gun nail zone, the predominate wind blows the ice on that shore which melts and drops nails and stuff from ice fishing etc. I'm talking 20-30 iron farts per swing, not exaggerating. (Granted some are probably shallow "double beeps" but you get the idea it's thick)
The problem with this site with a Minelab or a beep and dig with a small coil is that when the target moves it disappears in the iron with those machines.(Do to nulling.) With the Deus full tones I can chase the target making them easier to recover. See the conditions I look for are clay, which can be hard to scoop stuff from.

Thanks and I do like and respect Calabash, very informative and I can tell he is very well known and respected . watch all his vids over and over . I guess I will just play with the settings in my area and go from there . Also right now it is Version 3.2 but after this weekend I will be sending it in to get a facelift and upgraded to 4.0 . I am not a relic hunter persay . I hunt mainly lots where old houses were and such so they are trashy . Anyway thanks for the replies and help . I will either Like it or Hate it . by the way Calabash I watched a video with you and your friend Eric testing a program for deep silver nice video

No problem. I was typing my previous post when you posted yours, I've been doing that a lot in this thread so sorry for any confusion.

If you could only have one machine that was built like "Deus fast" that would not be such a terrible thing.

Essentially look at it this way, always run Deus fast with as low of reactivity possible, or that feels good. Use a higher reactivity when needed, to shrink targets in a shallow field of trash. That simple.

I have other great sites that are "Minelabed out" and also lack much in the way of shallow trash, so when I go there I know Ill have to push the reactivity lower.

Deus Fast or Deus Moderately Fast are good all round modes.

I've dug some pretty deep pennies with Deus Fast at old sites. They do sound different though, rather then a "round sound" of a shallower coin, it turns into more of a ying-ying tone when you X over it. (Possibly with a little iron bleed through overlayed if the ground is mineralized enough) Hard to describe but you'll know what I mean if you don't already.