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Winter BS, CZ Old Technology?

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I have been detecting since 1996 and there are few who hunt as hard or oftn as I do. I do not consider myself an expert, but I have found many people are book smart and field smart. I don't read about detecting or how to detect, I go out in the field and figure things out for myself. I am not above asking for advice and I don't give advice unless someone asks. This summer I joined a very active club and was told to bring my detector as we would have a small planted coin hunt. I showed up knowing only two of the fifty or so people and I immediately noticed what were the detectors of choice. Minelab Explorers and DFX's. I did not see one cz except for the 3d is was swinging. I did notice there was a pecking order and three or four people seemed to be who all the others listened to. Eventually, one of these people introduced himself to me and asked about my Fisher. The 3d was only three months on the market, but this fellow told me he had used a cz in the mid 90's and had followed the progression of detectors( Cz's, Soverieigns, and Explorers). He told me that CZ's were old technology and he had long since passed that detecting era up. Being that I didn't see another Fisher, I deducted that the few big shots in the club carried alot of weight with the others. I told him that I had an Explorer xs and a Spectum xlt and the cz3d was as good or better than those two detectors. He laughed and blew me off as not knowing any better. As I drifted aroung and made small talk with the other fellows, I came to the conclusion that most of these guys were swinging detectors that these three or four guys had recommended. I have tried convert several of the guys I have got to know alittle better to a cz and they will not budge. One fellow told me in seven years of detecting he had never found a coin more than 7 inches deep. I find three or four coins that deep every time out, but he would not even consider a cz. In my opinion, Fisher hit a homerun with their cz detectors. But, when a detector is on the market for that long, people think that they must be way behind in the technology department. I happen to think that Fisher was years ahead in that department and the others are playing catchup. Just some observations and thoughts for conversation on a winters evening. R.L.
 
RL,
I'm by no means an expert detectorist. I've only been at it 1 year. My 3D is the only good detector I've owned so I can't make a direct comparison my self. But I've been happy with my CZ. It really doesn't matter how old a technology is. If it works well, that's all that matters. <img src="/metal/html/super.gif" border=0 width=26 height=28 alt=":super"> I did a lot of research before I bought my 3D. I wanted a very good detector and I wanted a simple to use detector. I feel that I got the best of both worlds with the 3D.
I'm going to re post an old post that is in my collection of posts. This is the post that most persuaded me to buy a 3D.
Raymond
 
.......... are being hyped by the "new technology" spin, never realizing that the wheels they rolled on to get there are really ancient technology. There are some people that have to buy every new detector and/or accessory in the mistaken belief that new is better.
Sounds like you're in with an insecure flock who can not,or will not, think for themselves and are being led by a few loyalists perhaps with vested interests.
Chet
 
First of all I have a CZ6A circa 1993 and will go as deep as any on the market. Second if I was at a planted hunt would have a 1235X which is fast, pinpoints quickly and can change frequencies so not to be interferred by other units. Seems like your club is hunting rabbits with a 30 cal. machine gun..
Most planted hunts have shallow coins and speed is what counts. If for some reason your club plants them deep you will go as deep as any out there..In addendum old technology or not you have a winner in your hands...
 
First of all,the 10.5 coil always gave me a solid 1-3 inches depth over the 8.It was all I would use when I had the Fishers.I had a Cz20,6,6a,7 and 7apro.I saw no difference in depth between any of them.The 20 seemed to be the deepest.Any of you guys with a 70 or a 3d see any difference in depth over a say a Cz5 or 6,just curious.THe Coinstrike would appear to be newer technology,but I have not tried one yet.And as far as digging everything goes digger,if the spot is old and the target is positive and deep,DIG IT.I would pay much less attention to the vdi's if I were you also.I use only a DFX now(which runs at 3 and or 15kz).Which is one of the reasons I no longer have a Cz for a backup.I liked the Czs,but didn't like the way the (edge of depth)targets would bounce or fall into iron.I dug a lot of deep iron signals just to see what they were and a lot were deep musketballs or buttons.I pay very little attention to the VDis when I hunt now.If the signals positive,deep and on an old site,I dig it.I've found a lot of coppers over 12" like that.The VDI may read 0 or 10 or 20,BUT the tone would be a definate coin tone.You also have to keep in mind that a lot of sites you hunt have been hunted many times over.What you are looking for is what someone else has missed.If a dime is lying next to a piece of foil or iron for example,the VDI WILL READ LOWER.Your silver dime may come in as a pull tab on your meter,or bounce around on your meter.On my DFX,the meter may read lower,but the tone will remain high on coins that are near iron or other trash.I don't know how the Coinstrike,70 or 3d will react in that case,because I haven't used them yet,but i'm sure some of the guys on hear can tell you.Next time you're on an old site however,try digging those signals that are read deep and bounce around on your meter.Dave
 
R.L.,
I own both the Explorer and CZ-3D. The 3D is every bit as deep as the Explorer and sometimes deeper in my area of Pennsylvania. Alot of the people in the Explorer forum were in denial because I posted an experience with my 3D. My 3D could detect and ID a target that my buddies Explorer II wouldn't even give a peep on. That day I even went back to my truck and grabbed my Explorer and it didn't give a peep either. That's also the 3D with the 8 inch and the Explorer with the 10.5. I have tested more since then and have had other similar experiences. I prefer the Explorer in iron. I would let them believe what they want. That leaves more coins for you... <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> I know better from first hand experience. If I used a 10.5 or the new Sun Ray 12 inch coil it would beat the Explorer even more than the 8 I use now. I love each detector but use them both for different types of sites.
-Bill
 
Dave,I have had a cz7apro, cz5, Coinstike, 1270, and now the 3d. Everyone of these detectors found deep coins(I hunt coins mainly), but I seem to find less deep rusty iron with the 3d. When I first got the 3d, I quickly figured out that digging repeatable signals eliminated most of the deep iron. Most of the coins that would repeat and pinpoint deep(8 inches is as far as the meter goes on 3d) would be about 8 inches. That seemed to be the deepest I could get by using the repeatable signal method. One day I hunted the practice field inside an old running track at the local middle school. This school dates to 1913 and the ground is low and soft. I really have hunted this place hard with all ot my detectors. I had found only 40 and 50's era coins and since I was having a slow day, I decided to dig questionable signals. The first signal was faint and I could not get hardly any audio when in pinpoint. It was an old nail at 12 inches or so. This just reinforced my repeatable signal theory. A couple of minutea later I got a similar faint, one way signal. At ten inches or more, I find a 1864 small motto 2 cent piece. Wow, what have I been missing was my thought. To make a long story short, I rehunted this entire field and probably 75% of these faint, one way signals were coins. I seemed to be getting to another level of older coins. Also, this deep level was devoid of trash. I have since dug almost all of these signals everywhere I hunt. I can't say that I have had the same success, but I seem to almost always find a couple of old coins below the 8 inch level. I totally agree with you, when in an old area, dig all the deep signals. On another subject, I have been relying on your programs and posts to help me with my Dfx. I don't feel comfortable with the dfx yet, but that is one hot detector. In the five times I have used it, I have found great stuff everytime. Last week for instance, I found 1916 wheat, 1849 seated dime, 1843 large cent, and a 1904 St Louis Expo spoon. This came from an area that has not produced for me in a year or so. I am not plugging White's on the Fisher forum. I like each and every detector that I have ever used. R.L.
 
I post frequently on both the Explorer and Fisher forums and just about a carbon copy of my feelings. Nice to have two super machines and we all know one machine can't do it all..I surely don't worry about what people on the forums think but call them as I see them in the field where it counts...As always your area may differ as seeing some of the deep holes with coins in them to prove a point I see their soil is completely diferent in many cases..
 
Heck pecking with two fingers would take a while to post all that info...which I feel was right on..
 
I did the same test with 7apro on a Rev War site.All the easy signals were gone,so i tried experimenting.I dug all the COIN/IRON(one way)signals and found a lot of them,maybe 3/4's of them to be musketballs over 8".Then I just dug the deeper,smaller iron signals that were over 8".They turned out to be either a)IRON,b)Iron next to a button or musketball or c)a musketball or button over 8" deep.This was the only real problem I have with the Fishers R.L.They're to quick to toss a deep coin or other positive target into the iron notch.The DfX's vdi's will start dropping as the targets get deeper,but the tone will remain the same.Next time you use your your DFX,try ignoring the meter and dig only the tones that aren't iron.Digging a lot of targets and remembering where they came in at and sounded like is the best way to learn any detector.This goes triple for the DFX.Dave
 
RL and any other CZ expert,
It seems you have a lot of experience with CZs. I've only dug a few really deep signals with my 3D. All have been deep pieces of iron. I've never dug a coin past 8". But after digging a few huge hunks of iron a foot deep <img src="/metal/html/angry.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":mad"> , I stopped going that deep. I've found quite a few nice coins in the top 6". I just figured coins didn't sink past that point in my area. I live in Northcentral WV and almost all of the soil I see past 6" is clay or rock.
What my normal practice is to dig only repeatable coin hits (at least 2 ways). I am also mainly a coin hunter. I pinpoint and get a depth reading. I dig down to 2" past the depth reading. If I haven't found the coin by now, I check the walls of the hole and the bottom with my vibraprobe. If I find nothing, I cover it back over. The times I have kept digging beyond this point has proven fruitless thus far. Am I too impatient? Or can you give me some hints to give me a clue whether it's a deep coin or a chunk of iron. If it's a nail I'll just have live with it.
When I pinpoint, I try to make sure that the unit pinpoints tightly or I figure it's something other than a coin.
I have also never found a good item that indicated as a square tab. Some good things have come from the round tab signal (silver war nickels come to mind). Are these your experiences also?
I run my 3D at sens of 4 almost always. Over 4 gives too much end of swing falsing.
Thanks,
Dave
 
Go to an older site that has older coins on it.Try digging all the signals that read coin/iron and are over 7" deep.Dig 20 of those signals,keep track of what each one is and let us know what happened.I think you'll be suprised.DAve
 
My favorite machines right now are the CZ5 and MXT. I think they are a great compliment to each other. I use the CZ5 primarily for deep coin hunting, and secondary for relic hunting. I use the MXT primarily for relic hunting, and secondary coin hunting. I really believe that Fisher and Whites are the top two manufacturer's out there. No, I don't sell Whites.
Tesoro also makes very good equipment, however they just don't get the depth in my soil. I sure like their light weight though.
Good hunting,
Otto...
 
I'll give your suggestion a try. I just get frustrated digging that deep with no results. If I was using a regular shovel, it'd be no big deal but with a digger, it takes time.
Thanks for answering,
Dave
 
fisher was and still is way ahead of the game with the disc. setup on the cz-5 and the cz-3d. you can get nickels all the time and ignore pulltabs. the dropped the ball on some of their newer detectors. the other models say that with tone i.d. and digital numbers you can get the nickels but i've not been able to do it with my sovereign.
 
Chuck, I agree, the 3d is by far the best nickle detector that I ever used. I had the Sovereign and Explorer that I thought were the best on nickles until I used the 3d. One of my first trips last spring with the 3d netted me two shields and 2V nickles in the front yard of an old school. This school was built in 1927 and there was a school there before that one was built. The amazing thing about these nickles were the depth, 8 inches. One of the most repsected detectorist around these parts has hunted this school for 20 years and the oldest coin that I have knowledge of came from this school. He found a 1796 Spanish reale. These coins were correctly id 'd and rang a high tone. How foolproof is that. R.L.
 
R.L.,
I've had similar experiences with the 3D. We have an small lot across from where a school stood for about 100 years. This small field has been pounded hard over the years because of the old school and the town's firemans festivals were held there for a good many years. With the 3D, I have found some IHs, V Nickels, alot of wheaties and Canadian Large Cents! That's not the only place the 3D has kicked butt but is a good example because of how small the lot is in relation to how many times I've seen someone detecting it.
-Bill
 
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