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I believe running in all metal gives you and your machine an added advantage. That advantage is the ability to hear everything in the ground and make your own choice as whether to dig or not. You can listen to the tones and confirm your decision by cursor position or digital readout. There is no nulling to mask your signals and if it gets too noisy just slow down and pick your way for best results.
Of course this only works if you like digging iron all day.:rofl:
 
Funny thing though, I rarely dig iron unless it's a deep, iffy signal.
I find it very easy to ignore the iron and key on the good quality tones.
 
"I believe running in all metal gives you and your machine an added advantage. That advantage is the ability to hear everything in the ground and make your own choice as whether to dig or not"
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Even when not in all-metal I am running very close, I have a thin line on the left about half-way down. I want to to hear all the targets minus the big iron..........I will decide from the target tone and then position. But you can be deceived, if you rely on position solely. This is really noticeable under higher mineralized sites. It is what many call target phase shift........The target moves to a position different than in better ground conditions.
 
While I can see this to be a good way to find hiding targets, I can't see spending the energy digging all those junk signals. I do not have that much time to go detecting either. Maybe 2 hours a week so I want the most bang for my buck.
 
William, you do not spend all day digging junk targets, the sound of most iron hits are not diggable, when you hunt in Iron mask all the time it is so easy to tell what to dig and not to dig, and if you do not dig good repeatable targets, you will never find the unusual button, relic or even rare coin.

A lot of colonial era buttons and early 1800 era buttons read same or worst than shotgun shell casings. I found a rare and valuable Rev War Dragoon button, that was made of lead!

My son got a 1595 Douzain with his Fisher CZ70, it read FOIL on his detector but it did pinpoint as a small target and he dug it. It ALSO read like a foil reading on my XS.
Most cherry pickers would never have gotten that coin.

Bob hunts basically with the settings I do, and I sure am not complaining about my settings or what I have found with the Explorer since December 2000. It is a great list of finds........

Don
 
Push the iron mask button and a slide bar comes up. Push the left button next to the slide bar and hold it until the screen is clear. Click iron mask button again and you're in all metal. It will stay that way every time you turn on the machine until you change it.
Now push menu and volume then sounds and click ferrous. Hit the Detect button and you're all set.
All high pitched tones will be to the right of the screen and low iron tones to the left. All else stays the same.
 
On my ExII, I run WFO(wide friggen open), with my screen on Advanced Edit. Everything left of the center dot is iron, every thing right is non-ferrous. Only thing is, pull tabs and nickles sound very close, so I dig a few pull tabs.
 
That is why we hunt in All metal all the time so you can hear ALL THE DIFFERENT TONES OF THE DAMN TARGETS. OK back to lurking. Some of these Posts are causing me to almost Pee in my pants I am :rofl: LMAO. I really like it when these kind of guys get on here and Post this Hilarious stuff. I know they are just really messing with you guys and I can't figurer out why in the Hell you guys post back to them. Maybe they would go away if everyone would just ignore them. Of coarse if they did I would miss :rofl: and I am 63 and I really enjoy reading it all. Later Bud, just set back and :rofl: with me. Now I better go Pee or else. :rofl: Jerry aka Tinfoil
 
Those are trolls, but I am not so sure that there is more than one troll posting from multiple accounts. Take a closer look at the timestamps of those "messing with you guys" posts and comments. See the pattern? :smoke:
 
Hi Bob...

Have always enjoyed your posts.

I too have a couple of Shadow X-5's (which I'll never get rid off) and recently bought my first Minelab, an SE. I've found precious few silver coins with the SE, mainly because pickings are pretty slim hereabouts, so I can't comment on really deep finds...deepest being a silver dime at 6". I did nail a clad quarter at a measured 9", so I think I'm in the ballpark.

Since you hunt in all metal and that produces fewer/no nulls, I'm confused. I've observed (at least in normal response mode) that the machine will have a short null after swinging the coil over even a desirable target . The chart on response modes in the manual shows this null as a break in the signal after a target sounds off. Have you observed that this null goes away in all metal, or, are you hunting in "long" or "smooth" mode, which does away with the nulls after a target sounds off?

Also, how do you get to your "all metal" mode...through iron mask with the screen entirely clear, or in normal mode with nothing checked or x'd (another way to get the clear screen). I would assume both ways would give the same result. I'm a little leery about all metal as I've had some very deep rusty nails (especially those bent like an "L") sounding off like a good deep coin. Those signals aren't super consistent, but to me, sound "iffy" so I dig them (lots of time spent and a deep hole is the only result). Haven't logged enough hours on the machine yet to have mentally noted all the signal variations yet.

Getting the manual sensitivity to the right setting is still a bit trying too. Too high, and there is a lot of chirping and falsing. But I always wonder when I get it set just so the signal starts to stabilize, i.e. at 20 for a lot of soil here, (still a little on the hot side), whether that is really deeper than say, auto sensitivity set to 27, which still sounds smooth. Kind of wish I knew exactly how much the machine was compensating under those conditions. So, I'm trying to stick with manual sens. and hope that I'm not losing deep targets by not going to auto sens. at a much higher number.

Thanks for your input!

Knipper
 
The slight null that you might hear in all metal is the break between the soft threshold tone and the signal response. Most times you don't hear it if your threshold is set to just audible.
I use the iron mask screen wide open as I never change it no matter where I hunt. The only thing I do do is close the iron mask to 31 in very very iron infested places. This quiets the machine enough to keep your sanity.
When starting up lower the sens. to a stable level then noise cancel. Once you've done this then bring the sens. up till the machine starts to get erratic. Then drop it back two clicks. This should make for a stable machine.
Gain can cause you to get or seem to get lots of falsing. If you lower your Gain to 7 you will get a few squeaky false iron tones in a quick sweep. 6 will let you run nice and smooth. Deep and Gain enhance the volume of deep targets. Running Gain at 6 makes only a slight difference in the audio output. Just listen more carefully for those sweet deep tones.
Lastly, If you run your variability at 9 or 10 it will give you good separation and the squeaky high pitched tone of a nail will become more obvious.
 
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