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WV Bros...how I found my first Seated...

REVIER

Well-known member
Posted in the today's finds forum, here is the technical stuff.
This target was 6" deep in my mineralized iron infused soil, surrounded by close iron objects on 3 sides and there was deep iron underneath it too.
If any target could be considered masked, as close as you can get to totally masked this would have been one.

F70 and the sniper coil.
That small coil seems to be the best one to use over the standard elliptical and the large DD.
You need all the Fisher's separation ability possible when dealing with so much close trash and iron and that small coil will give you the best and most useful data from my observations.
Don't worry about depth, it will easily match or beat the depth of the standard concentric and comes pretty close to the big DD.
Deep enough for all but the super deepest targets in good or bad soil, anyway.

Sense was on 90 but I turn it up and down trying to find the exact right setting to knock out the deeper big iron and junk but not enough to miss small coins in the 6-8" level.
I think anything from 60 on up will do it but if I don't have a bunch of EMI happening and it stays quiet I turn it up higher.
I try to stay between 75 and 90 most of the time if possible...85 is almost my standard go to setting.
On this coin I was set at a relatively quiet 90.

Disc was on 3.
I know you guys hunt on 0 sometimes, I have used 1 in the past but Tom has recommended at several numbers under 5 in certain situations, 6 at sites with a bunch of small nails.
On 0 I get a lot of noise, 1 quiets it down quite a bit and 3 worked well in this situation to hear all the iron grunts but still have a few high tones come through.

Thresh was -3.
I move up and down between -4 and minus 2 in the multi tone settings, maybe a bit higher even into the positive in 1, 1F or 2F because it doesn't seem to skew the signal as bad as it does for me in multi tones which annoys me.

SL speed but ya gotta go real slow.
DE might work fine or one of the other F75 processes you have but I don't have those and I am only aiming for the 6-8" level here but I do seem to get more signals, iron and others, in SL.
More experimenting to do in this area.

I was in 4H on this one.
Usually I use maxed out all metal or one of the lowest three tone choices but this time I was listening for some repeatable high tones and preferred not looking at the screen all the time and I noticed a slightly repeating high tone while doing it and then looked at the screen.
The Fishers are programmed to up average all signals around iron which is a great thing.
Around here the deeper the target the higher the numbers go and every target past 4" gets into the high 80's to low 90's...even nickels.
If I was hunting with any other brand I might not be able to do what I am doing now or I probably would have to learn a whole set of hidden behaviors and language.
Luckily I have tons of hours on my Fishers and am slowly gaining a 6th sense about what I see and hear, and what I can interpret at this point with all available data at hand probably would make absolutely no sense to a new user.
What I know and feel and sense took hours and hours of swinging and experimenting and I am still learning.
That up-averaging around iron thing is a big part of my success lately for sure.

I have my other coin settings I posted about before with disc high and notching in only foil and nickel to make sure I can find at least some jewelry.
I might have been able to find this thing that way but I will never know.
Heck...if I knew I was swinging over a seated dime in all that iron I would have spent an hour trying all kinds of settings to see what worked best but at the time there was a better chance I was going to be digging a piece of rusty iron at 6".
Using those other settings I never would have heard all the iron which in this case I think helped.
Next time on my special coin settings I will notch in iron too and see what happens but I have a feeling around a bunch of close iron keeping the disc low will give me a better shot at hearing a good high tone.
Again, still learning and experimenting and probably will never stop.

Anyhoo...after all that this is my thrilling, shocking, surprising coin that came up that I can now hold in my hands and marvel at anytime I please...which right now I do often.
Stay tuned, hopefully more coming soon.
 
Great find!
 
BTW....
I just cleaned my trash pouch out and I remembered something else....
Before I pulled out that dime I also pulled out a decent sized rusty nail first that was living on top of that dime.

Like I said, masked, masked, masked.
 
Who knows, the nail may have helped. Some of them at depth sound pretty good. Wonderful find. That is some tough dirt down your way. HH jim tn
 
jim tn said:
Who knows, the nail may have helped. Some of them at depth sound pretty good. Wonderful find. That is some tough dirt down your way. HH jim tn

Thanks.
That soil is so tough if it could hold a gun I would be giving it money instead of the other way around.
 
Great find! I remember my first seated, I carried it around in my pocket for a couple days showing it to people who didn't even appreciate how cool of a find it was. They just thought I was a dork showing them an old quarter
 
Congrats on the seated dime, still looking for my first one of those.

Also nice write up on the details as to how it all went down.

I am also convinced that about all the low hanging silver is gone from the park we hunt in and what is left is mask by the trash. I have found a couple of wheat pennies here lately by removing some near by trash.

Revier you said you were using the little sniper coil, would the be the little 5"DD coil or the 6.5" concentric? I don't know this for sure but that SL processor on your F70 sounds a lot like the boost processor on the F75"s, slow and deep.


One of the WV brothers, Ron
 
Yep, the 5" DD.
SL, (Slow Speed), on my F70 was first programmed into the F70 before the F75 had boost.
What the engineers learned on that they tweaked and then came out with boost on the new generation F75's.
It is actually a slightly different process and programming than boost but essentially the same effect is achieved.
I always chuckle when some of the F75 guys insist the flagship is so much better than mine specifically because it has boost and mine doesn't because that us just not a true and accurate statement.


That small DD seems to give me the best reliable data in areas of not only heavy trash but in this iron infused and infested dirt.
My bigger coils work well in the suburbs with less iron problems but here in these problematic city parks and curb strips and lawns there is a better chance of getting at least a hint of a part of a good target masked by other metal.
All my coils can reach the same depths in this devil dirt but the least signals hitting that coil at the same time the better.
Very rarely have I heard of anyone digging targets past 5" in the city and most other places and there are still good targets in some areas especially in private lawns, but I believe there is much more at the 6-8" area that nobody has ever suspected.
Many machines can get down there but the signals from those depths rarely follow normal behavior so they were passed over and have been for decades.
Most of the great targets I have found in well hunted areas have been at 6".
Sounds funny, just one inch could make such a difference but in this soil it does.
A couple times I have dug some coins at 7", a merc, some really old wheaties and IH's and recently one really thin, really worn hardly recognizable V nickel with a date that said 188? and that one said 7" on the depth meter but I measured it at more like 7.5-8".
That one rocked me back on my heels a bit.
A friend who was hunting with me that day, an E Trac guy who has hunted over a wide range in several cities and still has rarely found anything past that 5" level, he saw the coin, saw the hole it came out of, looked at my small coil and could hardly believe it.
I worked for almost 6 months to figure out a way to recognize the good stuff at the 6-8" level around here and I have somewhat succeeded...now my job is to find those good targets at the 5" level and beyond that are masked even more than all the other targets I have dug to this point.
Not as important hunting in the burbs and other sites, but if I am going to hunt inside the city limits and hit these older parks and lawns this skill is essential.
Just by hitting that 6" mark I expanded the amount of possible great targets possible by more than you might believe, if I can start picking out great stuff that is severely masked even more that range will double.
This seated is just the first of that new class of target I am going after.
If I can learn to repeat that feat the sky is the limit
 
Revier, nothing better than a positive attitude, go get for it.

Maybe we can pick up a few pointers and start doing a little better here in WV.

Thanks for sharing,

Ron in WV
 
WV62 said:
Revier, nothing better than a positive attitude, go get for it.

Maybe we can pick up a few pointers and start doing a little better here in WV.

Thanks for sharing,

Ron in WV

That exactly why I post stuff like this, your soil is not exactly the same as mine but close and also pretty bad in it's own way.
If I can help just one other hunter with a setting, technique or insight that can help them find that next great thing I will be pleased.
I read a ton from others like you guys too and try it all out and tweak it to see what works for me..
The circle of life in this hobby.
Your brother seems to take it all in, something he reads might work on that F5, the F75 is real close and a lot of this might transfer over to other brands.
A few things I learned with my F70 in a severe iron infested site in Kansas helped me get better at hunting using my Tesoros.
Learning new things that work along the way in my hunts is just about as important and fun for me as finding all the great stuff I have learned to find.
 
REVIER , thanks for the info you give on the F70. I take the info you offer and apply it in the field using my F75 LTD . GS
REVIER said:
WV62 said:
Revier, nothing better than a positive attitude, go get for it.

Maybe we can pick up a few pointers and start doing a little better here in WV.

Thanks for sharing,

Ron in WV

That exactly why I post stuff like this, your soil is not exactly the same as mine but close and also pretty bad in it's own way.
If I can help just one other hunter with a setting, technique or insight that can help them find that next great thing I will be pleased.
I read a ton from others like you guys too and try it all out and tweak it to see what works for me..
The circle of life in this hobby.
Your brother seems to take it all in, something he reads might work on that F5, the F75 is real close and a lot of this might transfer over to other brands.
A few things I learned with my F70 in a severe iron infested site in Kansas helped me get better at hunting using my Tesoros.
Learning new things that work along the way in my hunts is just about as important and fun for me as finding all the great stuff I have learned to find.
 
Revier: really nice fine on that seated dime. 6" depth is getting down there where the good stuff is, that dime has probably had several coils pass right over it and missed it because they didn't have the experience under their belt. Slow swing speed was probably your best weapon along with knowing what your machine is saying. Nice write up, enjoy reading your post.
 
still looking 52 said:
Revier: really nice fine on that seated dime. 6" depth is getting down there where the good stuff is, that dime has probably had several coils pass right over it and missed it because they didn't have the experience under their belt. Slow swing speed was probably your best weapon along with knowing what your machine is saying. Nice write up, enjoy reading your post.

Thanks, and thanks to all.
Just paying it forward, some little change or tweak that worked for me could possibly help out someone else and that is a good thing.

If you saw where this spot is, a nice grassy area next to some running water in a very well used section of this park, this is the first place any hunter would search if they had any common sense.
I can guarantee that others have scanned this same exact spot, I myself have been over it countless times with an F2, a Compadre, a Vaquero and recently with my F70 and several different coils on most of them over the past few years.
I just didn't have enough knowledge or experience to notice that little something different that I did this time and dig it.
Knowledge can be a powerful thing in this hobby and in life.
 
That's another great thing about this hobby, you are constantly learning things that make you a better hunter. The last " big " thing I've learned is listening for those faint signals where you get depth readings down in the 5" to 7" range, most of those my confidence meter hardly moves but the sound is clear and the ID #s are fairly steady.
 
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