M1, M2, M3 what's the difference between them

[TerryEastTexas]

Just a general question about the differences.

 

[DigDog]

Just a general question about the differences.

That can be answered in many different ways. LOL one way is the manual is available online and it explains a lot better than I probably can but from what I understand each one of those modes uses a different set of frequencies depending what type of hunting you’re doing I believe M one focuses more on the lower frequencies and two focuses more of the combination of the higher frequencies and then three is supposed to be better in wet soil conditions. Again, the manual explains it all in better detail. Hope this helps.

 

[sprchng]

I simply look at the three as having a selection of which multi frequency grouping will be the least sensitive to EMI at a particular venue. Theoretically that should be the set of frequencies which gives you the best depth and ID. Since I never hunt the beach I find best results just using 4 khz and keeping things simple ; works as well or better than spending precious detecting time trying to convince myself I am going to stumble across some magic elixir of settings that will discover that which is not there to begin with.

 

[DigDog]

Again depends what and where. 4khz is deeper and less sensitive to emi but if small gold is what you are looking for the higher frequencies are more sensitive to see it
Why gold detectors run 20khz and up
Lower frequencies deeper better on conductive targets, silver
Higher frequencies better on less conductive gold
A combination will give better results on both

 

[sprchng]

Looking for small gold in aluminum infested public dirt parks is a fools errand. I have found two gold earrings , both while using FBS Minelab machines even though I found them by eyeball first and both gave those machines a reading. Every one of the 35 or so gold rings I have found(large and small) have had good readings on lower frequencies like 4khz. I agree there is some merit to the low/high frequency tendencies but also think it's way over rated. If I decide to hang my detecting success on looking for gold pin earrings with diamonds in totlot settings , I'll be more concerned about predominantly using 4khz .

 

[DigDog]

Again its also location. Here it’s pretty much a beach setting even in the parks.
The parks here are sand not dirt.
You have about as much of a chance finding silver coins or any old coins for that matter as you do a Rolex.
Its either gold pin earrings or modern pennies, take your pick.
Try finding a bust quarter or civil war button on a beach loaded with spring breakers.
Maybe have to give it a try. How many rings have you found on the beach in 4khz
I think the old headhunters used really low like 3-4khz

 

[The Coin Magician]

Looking for small gold in aluminum infested public dirt parks is a fools errand. I have found two gold earrings , both while using FBS Minelab machines even though I found them by eyeball first and both gave those machines a reading. Every one of the 35 or so gold rings I have found(large and small) have had good readings on lower frequencies like 4khz. I agree there is some merit to the low/high frequency tendencies but also think it's way over rated. If I decide to hang my detecting success on looking for gold pin earrings with diamonds in totlot settings , I'll be more concerned about predominantly using 4khz .

I agree there seems to be a myth that 4 Khz wont hit Gold Rings well. The myth has been around for decades now. As i understand it , the higher Khz hit gold a little deeper and hit a little harder on gold , but only a little bit harder.

 

[DigDog]

target size, density all play a part. When i say gold im talking more like small thin pieces. Earings, brackets, necklaces as only the individual link is picked up not the whole bracelet or necklace. Rings i agree, they are thicker than coins so the lower frequencies will hit them hard as well. A thin hoop earring, the small link on a Figaro chain etc are picked up easier with the higher frequencies just as nugget hunting requires even higher frequencies 40khz, 60khz etc.

The higher the frequency the less depth as well. Im not so sure its a myth otherwise gold detectors would run in the low frequencies. Look at any gold detector of any brand and they all
run high frequencies. Perhaps you misunderstood what i was saying when i said gold. And everyone hunts for different reasons and things. On the beaches here rings are the least of the jewelry you find and you certainly don’t cherry pick and avoid all foil.
Maybe im wrong. If there are gold detectors that run 4khz or had great success on the beach running 4 khz let me know and its something to consider trying. everything ive had including ML
and Tesoro all ran 14 khz and higher or a combination in multi that used high frequencies. With the exception of the garrett ace 250, and that was no gold monster lol.

 

[DigDog]

target size, density all play a part. When i say gold im talking more like small thin pieces. Earings, brackets, necklaces as only the individual link is picked up not the whole bracelet or necklace. Rings i agree, they are thicker than coins so the lower frequencies will hit them hard as well. A thin hoop earring, the small link on a Figaro chain etc are picked up easier with the higher frequencies just as nugget hunting requires even higher frequencies 40khz, 60khz etc.
The higher the frequency the less depth as well. Im not so sure its a myth otherwise gold detectors would run in the low frequencies. Look at any gold detector of any brand and they all
run high frequencies. Perhaps you misunderstood what i was saying when i said gold. And everyone hunts for different reasons and things. On the beaches here rings are the least of the jewelry you find and you certainly don’t cherry pick and avoid all foil.
Maybe im wrong. If there are gold detectors that run 4khz or had great success on the beach running 4 khz let me know and its something to consider trying. everything ive had including ML
and Tesoro all ran 14 khz and higher or a combination in multi that used high frequencies. With the exception of the garrett ace 250, and that was no gold monster lol.

 

[Picketwire]

A person should go to the owner's manuals of SMF detectors for a better explanation than listening to or reading someone's speculation on the subject.

 

[johnrab54]

I just received my new Legend and have not yet taken it out to detect, due to local weather. I bought the Legend because it is a MF machine with a wide frequency range. I do not intend to go to any areas and only detect just one time. Once i have detected an area, on my return trips, I will use new frequency settings to help determine if I have missed anything on my previous visits. I am not detecting for just one type of item, I am detecting for all items, coins, jewelry, relics etc... That is one of the main reasons I bought an MF machine.

 

[sprchng]

I think MF is just another option just like any one of the other single frequencies , simple as that.

 

[DigDog]

I just received my new Legend and have not yet taken it out to detect, due to local weather. I bought the Legend because it is a MF machine with a wide frequency range. I do not intend to go to any areas and only detect just one time. Once i have detected an area, on my return trips, I will use new frequency settings to help determine if I have missed anything on my previous visits. I am not detecting for just one type of item, I am detecting for all items, coins, jewelry, relics etc... That is one of the main reasons I bought an MF machine.

I guess that will be a test of sorts to see if any certain frequency or multiple set will do any better. There are a couple videos of live digs where they go over the same targets in different frequencies before the actual dig to see how each responds but only doing it through single frequencies. Some targets did not respond with big differences between low and high. Would have been nice if they switched to multi mode as well, real curious as to why they didn’t. I would think though that if you went over some targets in that area and did the same thing and they all responded then it would make no difference to go back over the entire area using different frequencies jmo. Keep us posted

 

[The Coin Magician]

My own opinion is there is not much difference at all , i can't notice any difference with quality of finds no matter what M1 M2 OR M3. I think the question is good , in reality my own opinion
is that they make jack shit difference. The Lucky L setting gets the Treasure. Lady luck.

 

[DigDog]

My own opinion is there is not much difference at all , i can't notice any difference with quality of finds no matter what M1 M2 OR M3. I think the question is good , in reality my own opinion
is that they make jack shit difference. The Lucky L setting gets the Treasure. Lady luck.

Just curious on that note, have you hunted wet saltwater beaches ?

 

[The Coin Magician]

Just curious on that note, have you hunted wet saltwater beaches ?

Just curious on that note, have you hunted wet saltwater beaches ?

No i have not hunted beach with Legend. On inland sites i don't find there to be any difference in the finds no matter if i use M1 M2 OR M3. The question is do these settings make any real difference
worth mentioning on inland sites.

 

[DigDog]

No i have not hunted beach with Legend. On inland sites i don't find there to be any difference in the finds no matter if i use M1 M2 OR M3. The question is do these settings make any real difference
worth mentioning on inland sites.

Well theoretically the different combinations of frequencies are supposed to react differently on different targets in different soils.
Otherwise every detector made would just run on say 4khz.
Is it all just marketing?
If so then every major manufacturer and engineer designing them are FOS.
Try telling a ML person that multi is just all BS.
The more reasonable explanation is that every area around the world beach or inland has different soil conditions.
Personally i can completely change the ground balance every two seconds and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference..
I don’t know exactly how many different total combinations of settings You can possibly tune to, 1,000 perhaps. Pick the one you are finding stuff with and don’t worry about what your not finding with the other 999. Otherwise it becomes more frustrating then fun jmo

 

[The Coin Magician]

Well theoretically the different combinations of frequencies are supposed to react differently on different targets in different soils.
Otherwise every detector made would just run on say 4khz.
Is it all just marketing?
If so then every major manufacturer and engineer designing them are FOS.
Try telling a ML person that multi is just all BS.
The more reasonable explanation is that every area around the world beach or inland has different soil conditions.
Personally i can completely change the ground balance every two seconds and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference..
I don’t know exactly how many different total combinations of settings You can possibly tune to, 1,000 perhaps. Pick the one you are finding stuff with and don’t worry about what your not finding with the other 999. Otherwise it becomes more frustrating then fun jmo

There is no single setting that gets it all , that is true. Ground conditions make a huge difference too. Then there is the small matter of simply sweeping the coil over that Gold Ring or Coin!

 

[DigDog]

There is no single setting that gets it all , that is true. Ground conditions make a huge difference too. Then there is the small matter of simply sweeping the coil over that Gold Ring or Coin!

Set your settings on 50% skill and 50% luck and you will always find something

 

[jtalley007]

Again its also location. Here it’s pretty much a beach setting even in the parks.
The parks here are sand not dirt.
You have about as much of a chance finding silver coins or any old coins for that matter as you do a Rolex.
Its either gold pin earrings or modern pennies, take your pick.
Try finding a bust quarter or civil war button on a beach loaded with spring breakers.
Maybe have to give it a try. How many rings have you found on the beach in 4khz
I think the old headhunters used really low like 3-4khz

Yes, the headhunter was a 1280 fisher, supposedly a better coil. I had a 1280, about 5” on a nickel in air, salt may have been worse. In the day people found a lot with them but today, I can barely find anything good with Deus 2 or legend, lol. Those detectors go 3 times deeper than a headhunter/1280 and have every adjustment known to mankind.