CTX 3030 compared to Manticore

[squirrel1]

One thing folks should be watching for.
When a person gets on a supposed deeper nonferrous target with metal detector.
Ever notice they don’t hit any iron if present with pinpointer until where?
I’ll answer - near or at target plane level.
Unless of course their little video is rigged to high heaven.

 

[Nauti]

Oh i see,i didn't realise you were doing these tests for people who detect in deserts.......i can see worth in your tests now.

 

[Odanscoils]

Reminds me of a porch squirrel chittering away just making noise the make himself self happy.

 

[Odanscoils]

A measley nail expands,cracks and flakes after being in the ground for years and leeches iron minerals into the surrounding soil so can mask even a decent target.When iron has been in the ground for years it becomes far more difficult to discriminate against and its "masking" qualities become greater.We used to have a famous detectorist over here who liked to do tests in air,one was when he took a basic detector and showed how it could discrim out a horseshoe but still detect a small hammered coin......wow.However had that horseshoe have been buried for 30 odd years......in the ground.......it would easily have overcome the discrim on the detector nso what was the point of showing that particular "in air"test......totally useless,just like most air tests or tests on freshly buried targets.
Anyway,ignore us lot......your tests will be useful for somebody who wants to purchase a metal detector for finding targets on top of a block of foam.

I use the iron halo Stomp.
Depending how deep and hard the ground is will usually break the halo.
Or if I really want to know I use my 12" long 1/4" wide screwdriver.
Push it into the ground near the target and give a good wiggle left right then forward backwards.
Breaks the Halo every time.

 

[D&P-OR]

Reminds me of a porch squirrel chittering away just making noise the make himself self happy.

That about covers it!

 

[Nauti]

Laughable.
Multi freq was made for what. Helping detect in higher mineral soil.
Wonder how many currently 2” deep gold rings in USA have been buried for 150 years? Hmm
Actually I can make a case it’s harder to hunt some areas in USA vs Europe. Why?
The iron inn Europe has decayed to the point due to its age it’s lost mass hence lost some of its masking abilities.
How old is the oldest iron on average in USA you reckon?
How long does it take a 16 penny nail to decay and lose 50 percent of its mass? Or a square nail buried in 1800?
Listening to you how would even a 6” deep target even be found in a farm field in Europe. Hmm
Not all good finds are deep either.
Two of the the four oldest full coins I have located were a mere 4” deep. Dated 1845.

Hunting in high mineral (natural soil) is a different animal even without a nail being involved or decomposing ferrous material.

Lmao.....Europe and Britain have much harder conditions than you face in a lot of cases.......come over here and try searching an old Roman site that is totally contaminated with 2000 years worth of iron crap while trying to find small Roman and hammered coins.......a lot of 6 inch and even 3 inch targets are virtually impossible to find in some areas because the soil is so badly mineralused and full of iron,thats why XP initially developed detectors such as the Goldmax with its amazing recovery speed........i had two Goldmax powers and found the same thing on a "mature" test garden,they didn't do as good as they did in air or "on top of ground"tests.
There are so many variables with targets in the ground......minerals,moisture,proximity to ferrous,soil composition etc,etc which you just can't replicate with targets out of the ground placed on a block of foam.I've been there,done the tests,had a good test garden,even though it still wasn't old enough to give ultra realistic results and it is easily to conclude that air testing,nail boards etc,etc are not giving anybody a true understanding of a machines capabilities or not as the case may be.
Some machines actually do better on in ground targets than they do on in air targets and that is why i don't like tests such as the ones you are showing.....it can put people off buying machines that fail in air tests but are perfectly capable in real conditions,i know that too,i've got one.

 

[squirrel1]

Yeah.
Your are stupid.
I never did say these tests indicated what depth they would work as far as in ground performance.
The tests showed detector behavior with settings changes. And nonferrous object and nail changes.
Could these tests point a person in a certain direction. So they could try some of these settings in the wild to see results.

 

[Southwind]

I use the iron halo Stomp.
Depending how deep and hard the ground is will usually break the halo.
Or if I really want to know I use my 12" long 1/4" wide screwdriver.
Push it into the ground near the target and give a good wiggle left right then forward backwards.
Breaks the Halo every time.

Works for me.

 

[Nauti]

I'm stupid....let's look at the start of your post...."your are stupid".......it deteriorates further after that,just about sums it up doesn't it,explain where I went on about what depths these tests would work at?
Maybe you should sign up for one of dankowski's 7 hour detecting tutorials at 1200 dollars as you love him so much,you would be good for each other.

 

[D&P-OR]

I'm stupid....let's look at the start of your post...."your are stupid".......it deteriorates further after that,just about sums it up doesn't it,explain where I went on about what depths these tests would work at?
Maybe you should sign up for one of dankowski's 7 hour detecting tutorials at 1200 dollars as you love him so much,you would be good for each other.

Nauti is stupid by whose judgment----yours???-------I think he's a pretty smart cooky myself! -----Suggest you read (re-read) his responses & REALLY put some thought into them.----Might do wonders for your attitude (and knowledge)!

 

[Nauti]

Nauti is stupid by whose judgment----yours???-------I think he's a pretty smart cooky myself! -----Suggest you read (re-read) his responses & REALLY put some thought into them.----Might do wonders for your attitude (and knowledge)!

Thanks bud........I never claim to know everything and I know there are far cleverer people on here than I am but I have done extensive testing over the years with real targets and I know,like most,that tests in air are pointless.As i said,I don't like the idea that people,particularly those new to the hobby,may get influenced by this nonsense and end up buying something they don't actually need.
I freely admit that years ago I got sucked in by air and above ground tests,I even passed over an opportunity to buy a particular detector that I wanted and I wasn't until I knew somebody that used one successfully that I found out I had done the wrong thing by believing the tests I had watched.Thats when I started doing my own extensive testing with real targets in real conditions.....as close as I could get them.......and that's when the penny dropped.
All the best.

 

[squirrel1]

Yeah. Stupid is the right word.
No doubt about it.
I have never told anyone in a video to buy any model detector either.
Your problem is you think everyone else is stupid. When it’s you who is.
Got a video coming up soon.
Watch.
You’ll get dishonorable mention.
I’ll go do the video right now,

 

[daddyflea]

Guys these Videos really proved one thing to me. I have a CTX and a Deus 2. For some unknown reason I like to hunt with my CTX. These Videos proved my CTX is good enough to hunt with and I dont need another Detector.

 

[Nauti]

Yeah. Stupid is the right word.
No doubt about it.
I have never told anyone in a video to buy any model detector either.
Your problem is you think everyone else is stupid. When it’s you who is.
Got a video coming up soon.
Watch.
You’ll get dishonorable mention.
I’ll go do the video right now,

I never said you did tell anybody to buy anything you fruitcake......you obviously don't read posts properly.......tell me where i said that.I think i said that the sort of tests you post may influence the choice of detector they purchase which would be a shame.......it's nice to see people making choices on factual information rarther than the results of tests that are innacurate.
Also,i don't think anybody is stupid,again what makes you think that??
I look forward to the video with great anticipation,don't think i've ever has a dishonourable mention before......i feel honoured.

 

[Nauti]

Guys these Videos really proved one thing to me. I have a CTX and a Deus 2. For some unknown reason I like to hunt with my CTX. These Videos proved my CTX is good enough to hunt with and I dont need another Detector.

DF.......the CTX is a great detector,although some of the tests we are talking about would make some people believe otherwise.As i've said,some detectors that seem to do badly on such air tests perform brilliantly on real targets and vice versa.

 

[bklein]

At the beach, the likelihood of a nail being in the 4+” radius of a gold ring may be low but the nail can be thought of as a ferrous concentration much like black sand and that is a common occurrence. The test is not really an air test - it is a magnetic field response test, pointing out an undesirable behavior.
I would really like some feedback from a Minelab engineer as to why the CTX is having trouble. Could they come up with a fix? Was it understood early on?
I miss the adrenaline kick I used to get when my CTX discovered a gold ring. My Manticore finds them too but the sound is so tame in comparison.
I’d pay a fee for a CTX firmware upgrade that fixed this and a few lesser faults.

 

[Southwind]

That is why I've always said these comparidon videos should start out with a viewer warning. It needs to explain that this video may or may not reflect your results.

If I could hunt in Squirrel's backyard for items on styrofoam boxes. Then yes, these videos COULD show the results you might achieve. Otherwise, there are simply what his results are.

The issue is that those who are new to detecting will get the opinion that these are facts everyone should follow, no matter where or what. I believe this to be wrong and misleading at the least. I fell for the same crap years ago myself until I got some time in the field and realized no one can predict what is going to happen. No one! As such, I see it merely as Squirrel fulfilling his obligation to get a free detector. Great for you. Not so great for the one's who fail to know the difference.

 

[bklein]

At the beach, the likelihood of a nail being in the 4+” radius of a gold ring may be low but the nail can be thought of as a ferrous concentration much like black sand and that is a common occurrence. The test is not really an air test - it is a magnetic field response test, pointing out an undesirable behavior.
I would really like some feedback from a Minelab engineer as to why the CTX is having trouble. Could they come up with a fix? Was it understood early on?
I miss the adrenaline kick I used to get when my CTX discovered a gold ring. My Manticore finds them too but the sound is so tame in comparison.
I’d pay a fee for a CTX firmware upgrade that fixed this and a few lesser faults.

Oh wait, I’m stupid(!). I thought the videos were the ones I saw earlier, that showed CTX faults. But no, these show Manticore faults. The whole thing about targets are only good if you test targets as found then turn 90 degrees and try again is now at risk. So now I’m left not knowing what to think. No worries. Maybe I’ll be using the CTX more than I thought.

 

[D&P-OR]

Yeah. Stupid is the right word.
No doubt about it.
I have never told anyone in a video to buy any model detector either.
Your problem is you think everyone else is stupid. When it’s you who is.
Got a video coming up soon.
Watch.
You’ll get dishonorable mention.
I’ll go do the video right now,

Where's that earth shaking promised video??????? Yah didn't run out of styrofoam did yah?