Instead of attacking tnsharpshooter, just don’t watch his videos.

If you do watch them just realize he is showing detector behavior in an inert, air test only environment and the results he shows are definitely valid for that scenario and he is not going to back down from that reality.

Do I wish he would do the same type of testing but include a few inches of moderately mineralized dirt in a 10” black plastic gold prospecting pan or just the bottom of a plastic gallon milk jug, sure.

When I do try to replicate his results using dirt as the detecting medium instead of just air, my results are often very different from his. That’s okay however since his test prompted me to do something similar but with dirt included and I learned even more about how my detector can or can’t deal with that scenario.

Do I wish he would stop posting video after video on this and other forums, definitely. But that’s just my opinion.

Like this?

jmaclen said:

Instead of attacking tnsharpshooter, just don’t watch his videos.

If you do watch them just realize he is showing detector behavior in an inert, air test only environment and the results he shows are definitely valid for that scenario and he is not going to back down from that reality.

Do I wish he would do the same type of testing but include a few inches of moderately mineralized dirt in a 10” black plastic gold prospecting pan or just the bottom of a plastic gallon milk jug, sure.

When I do try to replicate his results using dirt as the detecting medium instead of just air, my results are often very different from his. That’s okay however since his test prompted me to do something similar but with dirt included and I learned even more about how my detector can or can’t deal with that scenario.

Do I wish he would stop posting video after video on this and other forums, definitely. But that’s just my opinion.

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Nobody was "attacking" him,just responding to a post that may influence newcomers to the hobby in a negative way,thats my point and i don't want to see anybody buy a certain metal detector,or indeed refuse to buy one on the strength of tests that are totally innacurate and false.......i did when i didn't know any better and it can be an expensive mistake.......most on this forum know better but newcomers to the hobby may be influenced by his "tests".

Nauti said:

Nobody was "attacking" him,just responding to a post that may influence newcomers to the hobby in a negative way,thats my point and i don't want to see anybody buy a certain metal detector,or indeed refuse to buy one on the strength of tests that are totally innacurate and false.......i did when i didn't know any better and it can be an expensive mistake.......most on this forum know better but newcomers to the hobby may be influenced by his "tests".

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Excellent point Nauti.

Nauti said:

Nobody was "attacking" him,just responding to a post that may influence newcomers to the hobby in a negative way,thats my point and i don't want to see anybody buy a certain metal detector,or indeed refuse to buy one on the strength of tests that are totally innacurate and false.......i did when i didn't know any better and it can be an expensive mistake.......most on this forum know better but newcomers to the hobby may be influenced by his "tests".

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I got your points in your other posts.

You didn’t get one of mine. Most of David’s results for the way he is conducting his tests are not false. They are actually valid, repeatable and true for the conditions he is conducting them in.

Do they apply to the real world from my own personal experiences? Rarely.

Arguing with him will get none of us anywhere and just creates more controversial posts. Just ignore the guy.

There is mothing about your post i never got........the whole point of my original post is his tests are totally invalid in real detecting conditions,it matters not one jot that they may be valid in the conditions he is conducting them in.How many people do you think conduct their detecting on blocks of foam or in the air......
Yes they may be relevant in such an unreal scenario but that scenario is totally irrelevant in reality and no use to anyone.
I won't be commenting on any of his video's again.

jmaclen said:

I got your points in your other posts.

You didn’t get one of mine. Most of David’s results for the way he is conducting his tests are not false. They are actually valid, repeatable and true for the conditions he is conducting them in.

Do they apply to the real world from my own personal experiences? Rarely.

Arguing with him will get none of us anywhere and just creates more controversial posts. Just ignore the guy.

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My "thum up" is for---JUST IGNORE THE GUY!!! (enough said)

Too much fluff in these videos, take that sucker out in the field TN and find us something If you want our undivided attention. I’m not being a jerk , I’m being serious, start hunting and making live videos and you’ll surpass all the testers on views for sure if that’s your thing.. Another benefit is you’ll never find that gold coin in that styrofoam like Southwind stated, no coins to be found there..Good luck

McClendon,
You are pathetic.
You couldn’t even see a flaw on the Legend 1. A version btw that was eliminated from Nokta’s site.
I showed in video with a brand new unit I bought. No shxt. Flaw. Change ground phase using manual GB adjustment nickel ID changed like 3-4 points.
One could see this placing nickel on cardboard box and sweeping altering GB manually.
You and this dude on friendly said machine being reset after update would correct. Thst was BS. I showed resetting the detector in video. Same Problem. Ver1.06 was deleted entirely it seems. Hmm
I also showed Legend was bs in modern trash using park and Field M1-M3. Detector wasn’t even close to keeping up with Equinox 800 park 1.
And you and the same nutjob on friendly said it error on my part due to legend having different ID scale vs Equinox. I proved this was bs using a zincoln as reference to set notch. And compared using foil and higher conductive coins. Legend stunk to high heaven so much so beach wet was the only way to use unit in modern trash. Beach wet unable to GB over soil. Yeah. And an update did what.
Actually update doneto correct lower conductive target IDchanging when ground phase was increased. And another update added a changed park M3 which does allow user to use detector in modern trash looking for higher conductors.

Seems you have trouble seeing what I can see. Hmm
And you were bragging on Legend 2. Turns out it was a flop. And it was calabash who spotted the bs. Not you. Yet you hopped on the bandwagon.

Yeah. Some folks just can’t or don’t see what I do. Don’t worry I’ve witnessed this all my adult life. Helll even when I was in grade school.

Go watch the latest video I put up.
You think you’ll see this in the wild? Hmmm
Wonder wonder.
Think I know the answer.

I'm not a big fan of this guy.
Though I'm quite surprised at tones on the Manticore.
And how much different the machine behaves.
I'm still a novice with the Manticore.
Especially recovery speed.
What do you guys and gals think ?

squirrel1 said:

McClendon,
You are pathetic.
You couldn’t even see a flaw on the Legend 1. A version btw that was eliminated from Nokta’s site.
I showed in video with a brand new unit I bought. No shxt. Flaw. Change ground phase using manual GB adjustment nickel ID changed like 3-4 points.
One could see this placing nickel on cardboard box and sweeping altering GB manually.
You and this dude on friendly said machine being reset after update would correct. Thst was BS. I showed resetting the detector in video. Same Problem. Ver1.06 was deleted entirely it seems. Hmm
I also showed Legend was bs in modern trash using park and Field M1-M3. Detector wasn’t even close to keeping up with Equinox 800 park 1.
And you and the same nutjob on friendly said it error on my part due to legend having different ID scale vs Equinox. I proved this was bs using a zincoln as reference to set notch. And compared using foil and higher conductive coins. Legend stunk to high heaven so much so beach wet was the only way to use unit in modern trash. Beach wet unable to GB over soil. Yeah. And an update did what.
Actually update doneto correct lower conductive target IDchanging when ground phase was increased. And another update added a changed park M3 which does allow user to use detector in modern trash looking for higher conductors.

Seems you have trouble seeing what I can see. Hmm
And you were bragging on Legend 2. Turns out it was a flop. And it was calabash who spotted the bs. Not you. Yet you hopped on the bandwagon.

Yeah. Some folks just can’t or don’t see what I do. Don’t worry I’ve witnessed this all my adult life. Helll even when I was in grade school.

Go watch the latest video I put up.
You think you’ll see this in the wild? Hmmm
Wonder wonder.
Think I know the answer.

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Like I said, best thing to do is just ignore and move on.

jmaclen said:

Like I said, best thing to do is just ignore and move on.

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squirrel1 said:

McClendon,
You are pathetic.
You couldn’t even see a flaw on the Legend 1. A version btw that was eliminated from Nokta’s site.
I showed in video with a brand new unit I bought. No shxt. Flaw. Change ground phase using manual GB adjustment nickel ID changed like 3-4 points.
One could see this placing nickel on cardboard box and sweeping altering GB manually.
You and this dude on friendly said machine being reset after update would correct. Thst was BS. I showed resetting the detector in video. Same Problem. Ver1.06 was deleted entirely it seems. Hmm
I also showed Legend was bs in modern trash using park and Field M1-M3. Detector wasn’t even close to keeping up with Equinox 800 park 1.
And you and the same nutjob on friendly said it error on my part due to legend having different ID scale vs Equinox. I proved this was bs using a zincoln as reference to set notch. And compared using foil and higher conductive coins. Legend stunk to high heaven so much so beach wet was the only way to use unit in modern trash. Beach wet unable to GB over soil. Yeah. And an update did what.
Actually update doneto correct lower conductive target IDchanging when ground phase was increased. And another update added a changed park M3 which does allow user to use detector in modern trash looking for higher conductors.

Seems you have trouble seeing what I can see. Hmm
And you were bragging on Legend 2. Turns out it was a flop. And it was calabash who spotted the bs. Not you. Yet you hopped on the bandwagon.

Yeah. Some folks just can’t or don’t see what I do. Don’t worry I’ve witnessed this all my adult life. Helll even when I was in grade school.

Go watch the latest video I put up.
You think you’ll see this in the wild? Hmmm
Wonder wonder.
Think I know the answer.

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I breaking my own suggestion but I don't care.

Sorry to momentarily hijack this thread. I would have done all of this in a private message but uploading photos is next to impossible in a PM.

So, I am a pathetic tester and a nut job because I did not see a flaw in Legend 1 version 1.06 software like you did. Here's why. Note the dates on these photographed posts. V1.06 software was released in early April 2022.



I was never able to update to v1.06. I wasn't even able to update to v1.07.


I went straight from V1.05 to V1.08.
Yea, at first I was not sure about the v1.08 issue. Most of the time the Legend ground balances in the high magnetite mineralization here at 1, 2 or 3 which is really near 0 default ground balance. Low conductor target IDs were not off by 2 or 3 target IDs at ground balances near 0 like they were on ground balance values above 40. I actually apologized to Bill (YouTube channel "Dirt Fishing") for doubting him at first.



I've found hundreds of good non-ferrous targets in thick modern aluminum and steel trash with the Legend after the V 1.08/1.09 update and in high magnetite dirt. Didn't need Park or Field M3 to accomplish that either. Park M1 did just fine.

Photo below is from The Legend Handbook by Andy Sabich page 128





I stand by my final assessment of Legend 1 after going through the entire update process to the final version 1.17.
That doesn't mean Legend 1 is my favorite detector or that I use it everyday. Far from it. Legend 1 is my backup which is why I got it in the first place since I didn't trust my Equinox 800 in water. Legend 1 turned out to be really waterproof and I would rather use it in fresh water than my Deus 2 or Manticore which are my go to everyday detectors right now. Equinox 800 is still in my collection but it gets next to no use since it can't compete with V1.17 Legend 1.


No, I am not bragging on Legend 2 yet. It hasn't earned that right until testing is done.
I turned in a change list with five things on it including the issue that got the test units recalled.
When I am out from under the current NDA I will give you proof.