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1728 house leads to 1787 Fugio with Club Rays!

Jaichim24

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Well I took the day off Wednesday to do lawn work, however I got up the courage to ask permission to dig an old 1728 house, I had enough self control to spend a couple hours raking leaves. I got the important spots that would just get plain annoying if I left them filled with leaves. After that I grabbed my gear and raced over to the house.

I started in the front yard full of excitement. The first 10 feet from the house was the standard iron nail minefield. I started from the front door, and worked my way to the road. I had about 15 memorial pennies and a few wheaties to show for my effort. Hrmm. .

So, I take myself to what used to be a carriage shed, and work around there. A few copper whazits, more memorial pennies, and a late 1960's pocket spill, no silver! Hrmmm.

I take myself over to some big fat trees that have been around for a while and check around there, more memorials. I glance over to the plastic jack o lantern pumpkins on the front steps and think 1980's UNICEF gone wrong!!!

So I head into the back yard, the women said she lost a gold ring 25 years ago in a certain section. So I start gridding it off, digging all those signals I normally wouldn't dig, such a pull tabs because they can read like a gold ring. More memorials, bottle caps, a few clad dimes, and nickels, but NOTHING old. HRMMM

I give up finding the ring as she proceeds to tell me it could have dropped off in this insanely overgrown area that I would not be able to detect.

I make my way to the back of the yard because I see a "T" shaped metal pole that looks like it may have been used as a clothes line at some point. I start scanning around there, but am picking up pieces of a shredded aluminum pie plate, I really dislike them!

So getting a bit frustrated, I head over to one side of the clothes where there is a fairly young/small apple. I get a nice signal behind the tree close to the edge of the property. It's reading 1 ferrous 29 cond. I'm thinking well, clad quarter is better than memorial penny. I was a bit hopeful that it may turn into a silver something. I cut my plug and flip it up, the X-1 tells me I have to dig a bit further. Because of the nice strong signal I was getting I made sure I pint pointed very well and dug very carefully. (come on, admit it, after a long day of detecting we all get a little bit sloppy when digging those last few signals, and out comes Doctor gouge) So, I pinpoint and dig extra carefully around it, flip up a section of dirt and a nice round greenish brown disc pops out.

I look at one side, it has pretty decent details left over, there's a date on it that made me think, great, a found another BS shell token that makes me think for a second I found something old. It wasn't very deep either, I don't think it was much more than 5-6 inches. I flip the coin over, and that's when I knew I may have something special. I see the faint outlines of 13 circles on the back. My ears started yelling as my smile started encroaching on their "turf"

I wasn't sure until I got home and rinsed it off, but I had found a

1787 FUGIO!!!!!!! Not only was it a Fugio, but it had Club Rays!!!! The side with the date and the sun rays is in really nice shape, the back side is a bit flat. It still has a bit of dirt embedded in it. I'm afraid to use my normal cleaning techniques on this puppy!!! I'm even afraid to use peroxide.

So, I sit here all giddy, giving this hunt the thumbs up for success. I'm still a bit curious as to why I did not find a lot more older items.

Sorry about the pics, it's hard to see the details unless it's wet, I couldn't get a good shot of the back to even make the rings show.

Jai
 
Absolutely fabulous find! That's what it's all about right there - A real piece of history.

It sounds like the property was hunted before if you weren't pulling up any other old material, but it would appear that you did pretty well for yourself. Very nice job!
 
Awesome find!!! Mega congrats!!!
 
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Absolutely no old coins in the ground, except of course the Fugio. I'll have to ask her, she mentioned that a relative metal detects, but she only talked about beach detecting. I'll be back there next Wednesday, so we'll see what I can find.

The soil around this house is very acidic. Most of the memorial pennies I found were totally mint green in color. The Fugio wasn't spared. Ahh well, it may not have much numismatic value, but I'll never part with it!!!

The Fugio has more detail than my pictures show. I'm still trying to figure out how to get some of the dirt off the back. Once I do that, a bit of renaissance wax will clear up the details a bunch.
 
I bet someone who really knew what they were doing could clean it up really good and it would look much better. The details still shine through so that tells me a good professional cleaning would make a world of difference and it probably could add some value to it.
 
Now that is one heck of a find Jai, even if it was hunted previously they didn't get it all as evidenced by your finds. Sorry you didn't find the ring but you may still if your going back and I'm sure you are. That is one Beauty of a Coin you got there. HH John
 
Wow! WTG, Jai! Welcome to the Fugio club. :D

I love mine so much I keep wishing I could buy more of them but in decent shape they tend to be a bit too expensive for me.

Have you tried cleaning it yet? If you can get better pics of "MIND YOUR BUSINESS" on the obverse and the lettering on the inside of the reverse we may be able to attribute the variety for you if you haven't been able to do that yet. (Mine's a Newman 7-T (rarity: "very scarce").) I'd love to see better pics of it.
 
well, it's got a pretty thick scab of green crust on it. I soaked in briefly in peroxide, I'm thinking about giving it a bigger soak. Usually ground dug coppers will have a good side and a bad side, depending on which was facing up or down. My good side has the club rays on it, the other side with the rings looks more like a Duncan Donuts logo than anything else! :) Anyway, I think I'll let it soak a bit longer on that side to see if some of the encrusted dirt will come out. I have no hope of getting the green off as my experience with even copper memorial pennies with these green scabs is to brush it off with a copper brush, but that basically wears down the surface and you lose what little detail you have. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Jai
 
Hey BlackX, can you post a pic of yours? Is that pic you are using for your avatar the one you found? If so, fantastic detail.

As far as what variety I have. I don't know what Newman's is, if you have a link to a web site I'd appreciate it. I'm using the 62nd edition of the red book to determine variety. I know it is a 1787 with Club Rays. I know that it says Fugio, not Fucio. I can see the hash marks (not sure what the proper terminology is) around the edge, so the picture in the Redbook calls this "rounded ends". I also know that it is not a New Haven re-strike because the rings are not narrow. So I am calling this one a Club Rays, Rounded Ends 1787 Fugio.

I can't tell by the wording in the red book, there is a variation called "Club Rays, Similar, STATES UNITED Reverse". I don't know what the similar means, however in the context of the rest of the definitions, it is listed where rounded and concave appear, so perhaps they mean that you can have a reverse States United in either the rounded or concave version of this coin. In that case, I do not have enough definition on that side to determine that.

I'm soaking it in peroxide now, but so far none of the embedded dirt is coming off. I'm afraid to use anything more abrasive than a soft toothbrush. I am still hopeful that someone will point me to a local person who knows how to clean. That is what is keeping me from slabbing on a layer of Renaissance Wax to show the details, take a pic and post. Once that wax is on, I think I'd have to boil it or something to get it off.
 
Well, I've gone as far as I can cleaning, I put on the Renaissance Wax so I was able to take some ok pics of the obverse and reverse. Can anyone tell if it's rounded ends or concave ends? Enjoy and thanks for looking.
 
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I wrote a really long response that seems to have disappeared and I can't get it back and I need to get to bed (an hour ago).

Short version: I think you have a Newman 3-D. See http://www.coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/fugio_cents/fugio_cent_n003_D.htm. According to the Newman folio I have and the coinfacts Fugio breakdown (http://www.coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/fugio_cents/fugio_cents.htm) there are only two rounded club-ray Fugios, both with unique reverse dies.

Your obverse looks to have much more detail than mine. (Green color not accurate but I can't color correct yet on this new comp w/o Photoshop.):

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