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8" Eurotek pro question?
- Thread starter Bucksport
- Start date
bigtim1973
Well-known member
No not here with mine as it seems to run pretty stable. I do know with the other Greek series of units that I have tried, as long as I kept the coil as low to the ground as possible, it would run smoother and not be as chattery. As soon as I lift the coil off of the ground a bit, it will become more erratic in certain areas. I have tried 8" concentric as well as the larger DD and although I could not get sens passed 8 on it out in my yard it still worked good. It only goes to 10 on sensitivity while all the other greek series goes to 99. Well if they have it divided sensitivity into 10 segments then a setting of 7 could possibly be 77 on another teknetics machine. Just an idea. Why don't you try and if you have saved any settings, take and reset to the factory settings. Just an idea. Do you by chance have a pinpoiniter that is interferring with it??? Tim
Bucksport, you're a guy who is fairly experienced with beep. If the internal "ground balance tweak" wasn't done right, I want that unit back here and will pay shipping cost out of my own pocket if necessary to make it happen.
The deal is this. If the internal "ground balance tweak" wasn't done right, the noise will get worse when you lower the searchcoil to the ground and begin "sweeping", you'll get a lot of false "high tones". If it was done right, lowering the searchcoil to the ground will tend to quiet the machine unless there's a lot of metal trash in the ground.
Another tipoff is this: in pinpoint, when you lower the searchcoil to the ground, the sound level should go up. If it remains quiet, that accuses the ground balance tweak.
If your unit fails both tests please call the factory at 915-633-8354, ask for customer service, and tell 'em Dave Johnson sent you.
If the unit does not fail both tests, please hang on to the unit a while longer and report here what your experience is and give other beeperists a chance to figure out if the problem is something you can solve on your end, before giving up and sending it in. Thank you.
--Dave J.
The deal is this. If the internal "ground balance tweak" wasn't done right, the noise will get worse when you lower the searchcoil to the ground and begin "sweeping", you'll get a lot of false "high tones". If it was done right, lowering the searchcoil to the ground will tend to quiet the machine unless there's a lot of metal trash in the ground.
Another tipoff is this: in pinpoint, when you lower the searchcoil to the ground, the sound level should go up. If it remains quiet, that accuses the ground balance tweak.
If your unit fails both tests please call the factory at 915-633-8354, ask for customer service, and tell 'em Dave Johnson sent you.
If the unit does not fail both tests, please hang on to the unit a while longer and report here what your experience is and give other beeperists a chance to figure out if the problem is something you can solve on your end, before giving up and sending it in. Thank you.
--Dave J.
Bucksport
Active member
Dave, first off, thanks for the reply.
When I lower the coil in pinpoint mode the sound increases on a clean patch of ground. This would indicate the ground balance being off. Also wanted to add that I am getting the same results at 5 different spots in my town. It is not an isolated incident.
I will probably give El Paso a call Monday.
Thanks again
When I lower the coil in pinpoint mode the sound increases on a clean patch of ground. This would indicate the ground balance being off. Also wanted to add that I am getting the same results at 5 different spots in my town. It is not an isolated incident.
I will probably give El Paso a call Monday.
Thanks again
If you're over a clean (metal-free) patc of ground, and you press Pinpoint at maybe 8" and lower the coil and the audio increases, then you have a positive GB setting. That's okay as a negative GB, where the audio diminishes and/or goes silent when the coil is lowered, can cause some falsing. Note Dave J.'s statement.Bucksport said:
I'm sure we'll follow this discussion to learn the cause, if it isn't from nearby EMI or simply working a trashy area.Bucksport said:
Monte
azsh07
Member
Mine does not do this at any spot I have used it. I hunt with my cellphone on and in my pants lower cargo pocket. Too dangerous in the woods to not have a phone.
I only get some random high pops when I go over certain granite rocks. You know how that is here with all the rock walls and granite stone in the ground. But even with all the rocks around it only does it here and there and not 3 times a swing.....might get a peep out of once every couple swings and that is only if I am in a spot with stone piles etc.
What type of spots are you hunting...hay fields...woods...a variety ( talking about the 5 spots you tried it in)....just curious.
I only get some random high pops when I go over certain granite rocks. You know how that is here with all the rock walls and granite stone in the ground. But even with all the rocks around it only does it here and there and not 3 times a swing.....might get a peep out of once every couple swings and that is only if I am in a spot with stone piles etc.
What type of spots are you hunting...hay fields...woods...a variety ( talking about the 5 spots you tried it in)....just curious.
Bucksport
Active member
Monte and Scott, thanks for the replies. It does seem to be balanced too positive. I have tested it in my yard, which is fairly trash free, with similar results. The 5 spots are school fields, and ball fields. I have used several units at these spots, and never had this experience. That includes the Delta I used to have. That is the unit I am mainly comparing the Eurotek to, since they are a similar unit. I figure using them at the same sites should give close the same results.
I will keep everyone updated.
I will keep everyone updated.
azsh07
Member
Dave was saying if it is set correctly then it will be set positive. So according to what you said it appears the internal GB was set correctly.
Not that there is not an issue for sure...since I am not qualified to say one way or the other.
I am going out with mine shortly to recon for some lost cellar holes and will check how my pinpoint responds.
By the way if it was set negative this would cause it to respond with false high hits on ground mineral pockets or stones.....which is why you set it a little positive for a preset GB or...for myself with a manual GB machine I always set it slightly positive here in Maine to keep the false high hits at bay from the stones and ground pockets.
You said you were in parks and nice fields....so....should not be any issue with stones there.
Not that there is not an issue for sure...since I am not qualified to say one way or the other.
I am going out with mine shortly to recon for some lost cellar holes and will check how my pinpoint responds.
By the way if it was set negative this would cause it to respond with false high hits on ground mineral pockets or stones.....which is why you set it a little positive for a preset GB or...for myself with a manual GB machine I always set it slightly positive here in Maine to keep the false high hits at bay from the stones and ground pockets.
You said you were in parks and nice fields....so....should not be any issue with stones there.
BuckeyeBrad
New member
And this may sound somewhat "area 51" to some but I find it to hold water. By chance, are you tending to typically hunt say in the 10 am to 4 pm time frame? I've been noting and correlating "severe" iron falsing with many different brands and models of detectors for a lotta years and I think I've stumbled onto part of the puzzle. Yes, site conditions, detector settings and their proper function enter into the formula as others have alreadydiscussed. Beyond that, there is another variable that at least I can observe in fairly real time (or after the fact) and find it to coincide with varying day to day yet same site iron falsing horribly or not. Ready? And please don't call the white coated guys, instead, initially scoff if you must, but try it out for yourself OVER TIME and see if it might explain a few things. Here's what I refer to, (see the link below) especially noting the magnetometer section. The days it is at it's worst (as you can see, every day is different to a degree) with my own hunting, I invariably find out it was well over 100 in that time frame. I noticed years ago that crack of dawn hunting was much more productive than mid day. In hammered sites that have produced well over time, I've never found something exceptional as the day goes on and the iron falsing ramps up. Always been when the iron is relative "tame". Something to be aware of and laugh at it or use it to your advantage. 
Hint: If your EP is fine, and you're getting a lot of iron falsing, just turn it back a few numbers. Works even better than I've ever been used to.
http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html
Hint: If your EP is fine, and you're getting a lot of iron falsing, just turn it back a few numbers. Works even better than I've ever been used to. http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html
BuckeyeBrad
New member
Certainly I can't testify what's happening where you're located but given when you're hunting, IMO, the effect would usually be less then late morning through late afternoon, given all is ok with the detector and coil. Obviously that is still a possibility. I can tell you I've seen this iron falsing variance without fail in several locations around the country that I've been to. So are you hunting in that 6 to 9 am time frame based strictly on your schedule or have you by chance also observed it to be more productive when persuing more difficult masked/deeper targets at sites that have been hunted for decades? Oh, and the white coats and I are on a first name basis so not a problem. 
I, probably against my better judgement, had to throw this out there as some of the the dialog starting to make it sound like it was possible that maybe your unit isn't (too far) off on the GB. Best wishes getting to the bottom of the issue.
I, probably against my better judgement, had to throw this out there as some of the the dialog starting to make it sound like it was possible that maybe your unit isn't (too far) off on the GB. Best wishes getting to the bottom of the issue.
Bucksport
Active member
I hope I did not offend you with my response. None was intended. My schedule dictates when I can hunt, so I do not have any data to test against. I have managed a few quick after work hunts. They would have been after 5 PM. One of those hunts was when I found my 1854 Seated Liberty half at a well know hunted site. I am not debunking your theory, I just can't confirm based on my experience
BuckeyeBrad
New member
And none taken. If your schedule ever changes and you do more midday stuff, I'll be interested in your opinion if you experience and differences. Good hunting to ya!
azsh07
Member
First...I cannot comment on Buckeybrads theory,,,,,could be legit.
However I can say that I hunt morning, noon and evening. I have no change in performance whatsoever. Certainly no increase of any falsing. Now..not saying he is incorrect as I have no opinion in this matter. I have seen strange issues before.
try and use a Minelab GP Extreme when there is a thunderstorm anywhere within 10 miles....man....whew!
However I just don't have any issues similar under any circumstances....so far. Ihave hunted in wet grass....wet grass with water puddles, morning hunts....evening hunts....woods....fields...grass...no grass..iron...no iron...no wait...always iron so tons of iron and little iron. I hunt with my cellphone on and in my pocket......also near power lines.....within a mile of cell towers etc etc. Nothing.
Possible you have an issue with the coil.....I have seem more strange issues like that with coils then machines. Do you have access to anyone with a different coil?
Also could be a local issue. I say that as I have hunted Peaks island and 3 of us were all using DFX's. Well...every 20 minutes or so we all would get about 12 seconds of the strangest EMI. Drove us nuts....until someone pointed out an NOAA bouy....well darn thing transmitted every what 20 minutes or so...or whatever it was. That thing drove us insane.
Not saying that is it by any means...just a point.
Thing is you and I live in the same state albeit miles apart but the ground is same same all over this state...it sucks....for the most part and I hunt in similar ground and have no issues. So it would seem either a local environmental thing or equipment related.
Now my machine is GB slightly positive also and that is as it should be. Now...it is NOT extremely positive either. The Threshold in PP rises as it reaches the ground but does not saturate hard core as it would if it were GB extremely positive.
Just saying this is what I see here.
However I can say that I hunt morning, noon and evening. I have no change in performance whatsoever. Certainly no increase of any falsing. Now..not saying he is incorrect as I have no opinion in this matter. I have seen strange issues before.
try and use a Minelab GP Extreme when there is a thunderstorm anywhere within 10 miles....man....whew!
However I just don't have any issues similar under any circumstances....so far. Ihave hunted in wet grass....wet grass with water puddles, morning hunts....evening hunts....woods....fields...grass...no grass..iron...no iron...no wait...always iron so tons of iron and little iron. I hunt with my cellphone on and in my pocket......also near power lines.....within a mile of cell towers etc etc. Nothing.
Possible you have an issue with the coil.....I have seem more strange issues like that with coils then machines. Do you have access to anyone with a different coil?
Also could be a local issue. I say that as I have hunted Peaks island and 3 of us were all using DFX's. Well...every 20 minutes or so we all would get about 12 seconds of the strangest EMI. Drove us nuts....until someone pointed out an NOAA bouy....well darn thing transmitted every what 20 minutes or so...or whatever it was. That thing drove us insane.
Not saying that is it by any means...just a point.
Thing is you and I live in the same state albeit miles apart but the ground is same same all over this state...it sucks....for the most part and I hunt in similar ground and have no issues. So it would seem either a local environmental thing or equipment related.
Now my machine is GB slightly positive also and that is as it should be. Now...it is NOT extremely positive either. The Threshold in PP rises as it reaches the ground but does not saturate hard core as it would if it were GB extremely positive.
Just saying this is what I see here.
Bucksport
Active member
Thanks for the info Scott. Mine seems to really saturate when I lower the coil in pinpoint mode. Very loud! If I had another coil to try out locally, I could at least narrow out that possibility. I did contact First Texas today. I explained my situation, they took my name and number. Now I am just waiting to hear back from them.
Bucksport
Active member
Just wanted to update everyone on this issue. I spoke to Felix today. Very nice guy! They are going to be taking care of me nicely. This is my first time dealing with a detector issue, and could not be happier on how it is being taken care of. First Texas knows what they are doing with their customer service skills
Bucksport
Active member
I got another follow up phone call from Felix today. He wanted to make sure that I recieved the email with the tracking number for the repacement unit they have sent me. After that question he just wanted to chat for a bit. He made me feel that my situation was personal, and it felt genuine. You can't beat service like that!