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calabash digger
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Heres why I preach tones over screens take the test and see how you do! [video]https://youtu.be/ihLukRx3mTo[/video]
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A test for all ver 4 XY SCREEN users to take .A 7MIN MUST SEE VIDEO
Tony N (Michigan)
Active member
pplinker said:
Hi pplinker,
I hate to disagree. Really I do. No one likes a party pooper or Debbie Downer. So don't take this personally . . .
It is my own personal understanding that if one digs EVERYTHING, he will find less good coins than someone is cherrypicking since
the one digging everything is spending so much time digging junk. Suppose we have two Deus detectorist in a trashy park.
Int the same trashy park:
Detectorist #1 spends 8 hours digging everything.
Detectorist #2 spends 8 hours digging high conductive numbers.
Detectorist #1 digs up 200 pieces of junk and finds 5 coins.
Detectorist #2 digs up only high conductive numbers and digs up 100 coins.
Who comes out the winner here?
They didn't put graphs and ID numbers on screens just for no reason.
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calabash digger
Guest
when I first land on a site I dig all the good tones too and as finds decrease start chasing more iffy signals then. Strategy depends on the individual and what they want to dig. Basically ids and graphs are best for targets not in trash or iron. A person relying on those will miss targets that's just the way it is. If a person wants to cherry pick and try to make there life easy I get that but they don't need under the impression that they are cleaning the place out with that strategy. BTW when one becomes skilled with the deus for me full tones ,a person can tell from tone alone when there over a GOOD target junk sounds different most of the time.
hairymonsterman
Active member
You'll be finding nothing on my sites then, 90% of my best finds have came in the foil, pull tab range.
Tony N (Michigan) said:
The xy screen.
Can it be useful?
Sure
Can it mislead a person? Sure
I recommend folks let their use of xy screen be situational.
For example you have a site virgin to detector that does have some iron and modern trash.
A person can use xy screen and this will help them make quick designs to dig, thus recover SOME of the good stuff.
Now with more future hunts, it might not be the smartest thing to use.
As you hunt a site, the more solo sitting (easier) targets will start to diminish.
So when it's time to roll up your sleeves and bare down and find the more challenged targets,,,XY screen is of no or extremely little use.
In this case, I recommend folks don't use,,,,hence you won't take the bait.
Can it be useful?
Sure
Can it mislead a person? Sure
I recommend folks let their use of xy screen be situational.
For example you have a site virgin to detector that does have some iron and modern trash.
A person can use xy screen and this will help them make quick designs to dig, thus recover SOME of the good stuff.
Now with more future hunts, it might not be the smartest thing to use.
As you hunt a site, the more solo sitting (easier) targets will start to diminish.
So when it's time to roll up your sleeves and bare down and find the more challenged targets,,,XY screen is of no or extremely little use.
In this case, I recommend folks don't use,,,,hence you won't take the bait.
Tony N (Michigan)
Active member
hairymonsterman said:
Is that because everything in your sites that is left is nothing but foil and pull tabs?
hairymonsterman
Active member
Lol no, it's because that's where the thin silver and gold live in the UK, a pulltab, i think it's the square one is 71, same as a victorian gold 1/2 sovereign, hammered coins, cut halfs and quarters are 30 upwards, similar to the cut spanish silver found in the US, look at the cra-p the Hoover boys have to dig to find the spanish!
Tony N (Michigan) said:hairymonsterman said:
Is that because everything in your sites that is left is nothing but foil and pull tabs?
Tony N (Michigan)
Active member
hairymonsterman said:Lol no, it's because that's where the thin silver and gold live in the UK, a pulltab, i think it's the square one is 71, same as a victorian gold 1/2 sovereign, hammered coins, cut halfs and quarters are 30 upwards, similar to the cut spanish silver found in the US, look at the cra-p the Hoover boys have to dig to find the spanish!
Tony N (Michigan) said:hairymonsterman said:
Is that because everything in your sites that is left is nothing but foil and pull tabs?
Oh! I didn't know you were in the UK! In that case, if I did detect over there, I probably would be tempted to dig everything since everything there is so old!
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calabash digger
Guest
No way around it you gonna have to dig and the hoover boys are a great example imo.
Tony N (Michigan)
Active member
You are quite the dynamic person.
In a clean field, devoid of iron nails such as in your test, I first listen for the tone and then check the XY. It is very accurate in a clean field.
But you have shown me that in trash, one needs to go by sound. So, that being said, thanks for the tutorial. I learned something new.
In a clean field, devoid of iron nails such as in your test, I first listen for the tone and then check the XY. It is very accurate in a clean field.
But you have shown me that in trash, one needs to go by sound. So, that being said, thanks for the tutorial. I learned something new.
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calabash digger
Guest
Yes that is true and that might help folks. I will say this a person can learn a set of tones so well they wont even have to look down at the screen . You really want to learn the deus set it in full tones and put the remote in your pocket for awhile and pay attention to how it acts tonally.Hard to do but benefit is great
calabash digger said:
Great video again calabash digger, I thought my screen here in Canada was just me.
I also like the Hoover Boys too but,
Let's not forget that the Hoover Boys like to use that Predator shovel even in there " Walmart " park that they got kicked out of. Digging a massive large hole for such a small coin is not proper metal detecting etiquette IMHO. Unless of course your in a farm fields or the woods, but when the Hoover Boys were first starting out all 5 of them were in a park using a shovel and that's a no no.
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calabash digger
Guest
I was talking about trash to good target ratio. I dont get into park hunting etiquette as I dont do that but I understand a predator shovel in a park is bad news. You guys have a different set of rules than us who hunt in the woods and fields.
LTimedigger
Active member
Thanks for the video CD. While my first love is relic hunting, I do more coin shooting nowdays, simply because theres so many good sites closer to my home. Heck theres one local park that was also a Confederate camp so you have both!. Although I'm a tones guy, I realized I was still letting the screen dictate whether to dig a good tone. So I took the controller off and went to a local school I've dug for 30 years. Stayed about 30 minutes(too hot now) and dug a few coins and buttons in area I thought I had dug out. Not sure if I will leave in pocket cuz I love the accurate pinpointer and not sure I will use full tones because of the break points available in 4, but I will certainly "look" at the screen in a different way. HH
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calabash digger
Guest
You are welcome and that was the purpose of the videos to help realize that the screen is just a tool and not to be trusted 100% . WOW FEW COINS AND BUTTONS IN 30 MINS NOT A BAD HUNT!
I use the X/Y all the time along with tones and numbers, I think you're leaving a big part out by keeping the coil centered over the target and not raising or lowering the coil and not going at it from different angles in the video. Those small actions can have a major influence on the X/Y screen. But no, I don't rely on the screen but found you can get different readings by moving around a bit.
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calabash digger
Guest
I was just showing it was affected by iron. As for moving around and messing with it I will leave that to you guys , all I need is a tone to tell me its non ferrous or ferrous and as far as that goes the tones will tell you low, mid, or high conducter .Good targets have a very distinct sound with the deus, coins etc. Everything that is saw on the screen I can discern from the tones so its useless for me and my style of relic hunting.